Dub Comparisons

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:33 pm

ect5150 wrote:This would make sense if all other transformations caused everyone else pain throughout the entire series. But they never have, nor have they even hinted at it, so why would it be the case now?

Transformations themselves don't. The suddenness of the transformation did.

Add to that Super Saiyan not being a 'natural' transformation like Oozaru or Zarbon's, and I see no problem with Super-Saiyan-bulking-up being painful before the Saiyan adjusts to it.

Shenron · Post by **Shenron** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:02 am

Rocketman wrote:
Shenron wrote:Except that, I think they're not that bad, especially the German and Mexican ones. All this dubs have something on common : they're better than the American one. IMHO of course.
I'm sorry, but if you think the Hungarian travesty is better than the US version, you're letting your biases control you.

The way Goku screams each time one of his muscles gets bigger is terribly lame.
Yeah. I mean, it's not like the sudden muscle growth is forcibly stretching his skin or sharply increasing the tensions on his tendons and bones.

I've watched the video again, and you're right, the Hungarian dub is pretty bad. I wouldn't say it's worse than the American one, just...different.
And I agree with Vegard Aune, Goku's scream and Piccolo's voice are awful in Portuguese, but otherwise the acting is good.

And for the muscles thing : come on, you know what I mean. Even if the transformation is painful, one long scream is enough : after all, all the muscles grow up at the same time, don't they ?

That's what I hold against the American dub in general : too much emphasis on everything. Maybe I would be more indulgent if it was the one I've known when I was a kid, like I am sometimes with the french dub. But still, even if I prefer watching american series in english (except the Simpsons), when it comes to DBZ (and japaneses series in general), it's a no-no.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:42 am

I really enjoyed the way the German actor screamed, but why were the SFX and Music so quiet?

Randio · Post by **Randio** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:23 pm

Shenron wrote:Wow, Piccolo's voice in the Portuguese version sounds horrible

So does Gohan's. WTF, he sounds like a man making a high voice

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:53 pm

Rocketman wrote:A cartoon character treated as possessing human-like physiological characteristics. If he screams, something is causing him pain.

I disagree. Kaioken Goku vs. Vejita? Sure, pain. Trunks going Brolli against Cell? Sure, pain.

Goku merely transforming in front of the Artificial Humans? Nah. It's simply a Kiai on crack, IMHO.

-Corey

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:01 pm

Rocketman wrote:
ect5150 wrote:This would make sense if all other transformations caused everyone else pain throughout the entire series. But they never have, nor have they even hinted at it, so why would it be the case now?
Transformations themselves don't. The suddenness of the transformation did.

Add to that Super Saiyan not being a 'natural' transformation like Oozaru or Zarbon's, and I see no problem with Super-Saiyan-bulking-up being painful before the Saiyan adjusts to it.

How come Goku did/said nothing during the Freeza fight after he powered down saying he was quiting. He powered right back up without missing a beat.

Also, how are we to define a "natural transformation"? Its not like they need a power ring to make the change, I'd say its all natural.

XxAtarisCorexX · Post by **XxAtarisCorexX** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:10 pm

How come Goku did/said nothing during the Freeza fight after he powered down saying he was quiting. He powered right back up without missing a beat.

Well you do gotta think about the situation. He was giving Freeza a chance to get away...and Freeza used that chance to defy Goku and attack him thus taking granted the mercy he was given. Goku was pretty pissed off and he sort of snapped. I think he probably didn't give a second thought to how the transformation felt at the time. In this scene he was relaxed and pretty much being a show off.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:14 pm

XxAtarisCorexX wrote:
How come Goku did/said nothing during the Freeza fight after he powered down saying he was quiting. He powered right back up without missing a beat.
Well you do gotta think about the situation. He was giving Freeza a chance to get away...and Freeza used to to defy Goku. Goku was pretty pissed off and he sort of snapped, I think he probably didn't give a second thought to how the transformation felt at the time. In this scene he was relaxed and pretty much being a show off.

Now you guys are starting to grab a straws instead of letting the facts tell the story. You're basically advocating it hurts "some of the times" and those are the times FUNI decided to put extra screams in there. It just doesn't work...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:51 pm

ect5150 wrote:How come Goku did/said nothing during the Freeza fight after he powered down saying he was quiting. He powered right back up without missing a beat.

I don't recall there being substantial bulking up from Freeza Saga Super Saiyan. And anyways, he was in the middle of a life-or-death battle with a planet shredding itself beneth him. The adrenaline dulled whatever pain there was.

Also, how are we to define a "natural transformation"? Its not like they need a power ring to make the change, I'd say its all natural.

Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant it as something the body is accustomed to, whether from it being from birth (Zarbon's, assumedly) or through conditioning (Super Saiyan, esp. post-RoSaT).

Goku, having not likely trained in Super Saiyan due to it being so overwhelming for Piccolo and Gohan, is unaccustomed to it (also the matter for the heart disease maybe having an effect).

Adey · Post by **Adey** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:39 pm

A bit off topic here, but it's still relevant since there was a Spanish clip thrown in there, why do 99% of Spanish anime dubs have the voices so much louder and imposed over the music?

It's really annoying..

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:05 pm

Rocketman wrote:Goku, having not likely trained in Super Saiyan due to it being so overwhelming for Piccolo and Gohan, is unaccustomed to it (also the matter for the heart disease maybe having an effect).

And yet he had the ability to go SSJ at will when Trunks arrived. To me, that indicates a certain degree of being accustomed to the transformation. And thus I repeat: it's simply a kiai.

-Corey

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:15 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:And yet he had the ability to go SSJ at will when Trunks arrived. To me, that indicates a certain degree of being accustomed to the transformation.

And this is three years later.

XxAtarisCorexX · Post by **XxAtarisCorexX** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:10 am

ect5150 wrote:
XxAtarisCorexX wrote:
How come Goku did/said nothing during the Freeza fight after he powered down saying he was quiting. He powered right back up without missing a beat.
Well you do gotta think about the situation. He was giving Freeza a chance to get away...and Freeza used to to defy Goku. Goku was pretty pissed off and he sort of snapped, I think he probably didn't give a second thought to how the transformation felt at the time. In this scene he was relaxed and pretty much being a show off.
Now you guys are starting to grab a straws instead of letting the facts tell the story. You're basically advocating it hurts "some of the times" and those are the times FUNI decided to put extra screams in there. It just doesn't work...

Grasping at straws? To be honest I'm just explaining why he would scream when transforming. And that's a pretty good explanation. I'm not sure why this matters much anyways...

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:15 am

Rocketman wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:And yet he had the ability to go SSJ at will when Trunks arrived. To me, that indicates a certain degree of being accustomed to the transformation.
And this is three years later.

Okay, I cave. Japanese Goku is simply using a variation of a kiai to concentrate his ki, whereas English Goku is a wuss who obviously didn't train and sounds like he's auditioning for Ed Norton's stunt double in American History X during the shower scene

Funny how neither Goten, Trunks or Gohan (who are much less seasoned warriors) showed no pain when going SSJ during the Buu arc, especially when the lattermost hadn't really trained in 7 years.

-Corey

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:58 am

XxAtarisCorexX wrote:
This would make sense if all other transformations caused everyone else pain throughout the entire series. But they never have, nor have they even hinted at it, so why would it be the case now?
Maybe he wasn't accustomed to making that transformation yet? I dunno, just speculating.

Try to stretch your mouth, the first time it hurts, the second time it gets easier and so on. So yeah, I agree.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:11 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Funny how neither Goten, Trunks or Gohan (who are much less seasoned warriors) showed no pain when going SSJ during the Buu arc, especially when the lattermost hadn't really trained in 7 years.

Gohan was a Full-Power Super Saiyan, and Goten and Trunks were born with the ability.

And actually, it might be the heart disease. Goku was out of breath from flying; as he became a Super Saiyan, it put greater strain on his heart.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:39 am

Rocketman wrote:Gohan was a Full-Power Super Saiyan

And I was on television with Bill Clinton...13 years ago. Your point?

and Goten and Trunks were born with the ability.

Wow. Poor Bulma and Chi-Chi, labor must've hurt! :P

(And BTW, I'm curious as to where you got that impression O_o;;)

And actually, it might be the heart disease. Goku was out of breath from flying; as he became a Super Saiyan, it put greater strain on his heart.

This I can agree with somewhat, but I still think you're taking this whole "if he screams, it must hurt!"-thing too far. They power-up and they scream. It doesn't mean every single thing they do hurts.

-Corey

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:04 pm

By that standard, Cell should have died in the Anime when he attained Full Power to try and stop Super Saiya'jin 2 Gohan, because he was screaming for like...14 minutes straight.

Mind you, this isn't the "bulk up" thing either.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:00 pm

Well, well.

Funimation's was the best in my opinion, followed by the Japanese and then the Mexican versions. Crap on a stick, what's with Piccolo's voice in the Brazilian dub?

He sounds like a robot. (The Hungarian Piccolo sounds strange, too. As does Goku's screaming in that particular dub.) Goku's Portuguese screaming started off alright, but then it kinda went down hill. -_-; Ah well.

I noticed that Funimation's dub is the only one that didn't use the original Japanese mix. Course, I like the Funi music better in this scene.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:50 pm

Duo wrote:By that standard, Cell should have died in the Anime when he attained Full Power to try and stop Super Saiya'jin 2 Gohan, because he was screaming for like...14 minutes straight.

Mind you, this isn't the "bulk up" thing either.

The real reason is though, that in the manga they only scream for a couple of seconds, while in the anime they want to drag everything out as filler.