"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

Would Super Saiyan Blue-Aura Absorbed Goku from the Future Trunks Saga and Super Saiyan Blue-Aura Absorbed Vegeta from the Universe Survival Saga fighting together as a team have been enough to even defeat the very first and original Merged Zamasu?

[Cetra]

The fight with Beerus is pretty bad, but I like what Toyo was going for with it. A quick easy way to establish where the Saiyans stand against a God of Destruction, while having Vegeta catch up with Goku in a belivable context. Not much else to say without translations, but looks like a good opening.

I don't like that. Trying to always show power relations is incredibly forced.

[HeroR]

Would Super Saiyan Blue-Aura Absorbed Goku from the Future Trunks Saga and Super Saiyan Blue-Aura Absorbed Vegeta from the Universe Survival Saga fighting together as a team have been enough to even defeat the very first and original Merged Zamasu?

I would say Goku and Vegeta together would have beating Merged Zamasu up if they both had Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. However, they wouldn't beat him because of his immortality.

[Draconic]

The fight with Beerus is pretty bad, but I like what Toyo was going for with it. A quick easy way to establish where the Saiyans stand against a God of Destruction, while having Vegeta catch up with Goku in a belivable context. Not much else to say without translations, but looks like a good opening.

I don't like that. Trying to always show power relations is incredibly forced.

I thinkit fits the context of the scene and puts to rest the assumption that Beerus has been surpassed and, which was an idea thrown around after the Black arc and for the anime even since the U6 one.
The moment works for me because I hated how the Goku-Hakai thing played out so this evens it out.

[TheOne]

The fight with Beerus is pretty bad, but I like what Toyo was going for with it. A quick easy way to establish where the Saiyans stand against a God of Destruction, while having Vegeta catch up with Goku in a belivable context. Not much else to say without translations, but looks like a good opening.

I don't like that. Trying to always show power relations is incredibly forced.

How is it forced? The only people who really have a problem with it are the ones who kept saying Goku was neck and neck with Beerus. This was shown to help the audience to once again gauge how far superior Beerus is to them. It makes sense for Vegeta to want to see where he stands against Beerus. Naturally he wants to test out his new found powers against the strongest being in the universe. What's the problem?

[TheOne]

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

Bullshit... That's why Goku said to Caulifla she will gain it soon?

That's just headcanon of Veggie fans trying to explain why he never got it in GT and even now before SSB.

Fact is... He never showed it... Toriyama never showed it and TOEI as well... If he could do it they for sure would make a scene of it just for marketing as well.

And just because he has SSB doesn't mean he can go SSJ3

goku saying that to her is bad writing it makes no sense either. Vegeta is smarter trains more than she does and he couldn't reach it. Niether could gohan. Super is messed up in a lot of instances and that's no difference. If vegeta allegedly had SSJ3 he would've shown it against beerus after he slapped bulma. That would've been the perfect time to show it.

Why the heck does Vegeta need SSJ3 when he has SSG and SSB? It makes no sense whatsoever for him to use a form that drastically drains his stamina like that.

[Draconic]

The fight with Beerus is pretty bad, but I like what Toyo was going for with it. A quick easy way to establish where the Saiyans stand against a God of Destruction, while having Vegeta catch up with Goku in a belivable context. Not much else to say without translations, but looks like a good opening.

I don't like that. Trying to always show power relations is incredibly forced.

How is it forced? The only people who really have a problem with it are the ones who kept saying Goku was neck and neck with Beerus. This was shown to help the audience to once again gauge how far superior Beerus is to them. It makes sense for Vegeta to want to see where he stands against Beerus. Naturally he wants to test out his new found powers against the strongest being in the universe. What's the problem?

Eh, it's pretty easy to see where he is coming from. Vegeta for some reason is on Beerus' planet training with Whis, even though Goku is at home shopping and his wife is pregnant. Then Beerus all of a sudden just wants to fill in for a bit. Theeen Vegeta just pulls out the Mastered Blue out of nowhere. And after getting defeated, Vegeta just asks to go home.

The scene is clearly there for two purposes, clarify where Beerus stands and provide some cool action in an otherwise uneventful part of the story.

As I said, I like quite a bit what Toyotaro did with this (and it grows on me the more I think about it), but it is a little forced. It's not going to take anyone out of the story, but when you get down to it, it is pretty unnatural.

[Jigurashi]

https://twitter.com/Herms98?ref_src=tws ... 6222249984

So I just scrolled on Herms' page and apparently Goku tells Vegeta in the manga he wasn't present for/wasn't aware of both Gohan and Goten's births?

[SaiyanGod117]

https://twitter.com/Herms98?ref_src=tws ... 6222249984

So I just scrolled on Herms' page and apparently Goku tells Vegeta in the manga he wasn't present for/wasn't aware of both Gohan and Goten's births?

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there for Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes him more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

[pacz360]

https://twitter.com/Herms98?ref_src=tws ... 6222249984

So I just scrolled on Herms' page and apparently Goku tells Vegeta in the manga he wasn't present for/wasn't aware of both Gohan and Goten's births?

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

More like in the manga.
In the anime goku said he never saw goten being born due ringing being dead which was understandable here in the manga goku never saw gohan? Yeah this is defiantly toyo bs in it

[Jigurashi]

https://twitter.com/Herms98?ref_src=tws ... 6222249984

So I just scrolled on Herms' page and apparently Goku tells Vegeta in the manga he wasn't present for/wasn't aware of both Gohan and Goten's births?

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

More like in the manga.
In the anime goku said he never saw goten being born due ringing being dead which was understandable here in the manga goku never saw gohan? Yeah this is defiantly toyo bs in it

I honestly forgot if he mentioned Gohan or not in the anime. But I went back to episode 77 and 78 and saw that he didn't mention Gohan. That's pretty strange. I get not being aware of Goten, but not being aware of Gohan?

[SaiyanGod117]

https://twitter.com/Herms98?ref_src=tws ... 6222249984

So I just scrolled on Herms' page and apparently Goku tells Vegeta in the manga he wasn't present for/wasn't aware of both Gohan and Goten's births?

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

More like in the manga.
In the anime goku said he never saw goten being born due ringing being dead which was understandable here in the manga goku never saw gohan? Yeah this is defiantly toyo bs in it

He rubs salt on the wound even more by having Vegeta criticizing Goku of parenthood, like Vegeta of all people he's still a shit father in my book. While on his good days an ok one at best, just because he took Trunks to some fair once, doesn't refute all the stuff he's done in the past.

[Sandubadear]

There's the filler where Goku, Chichi, and Ox King are trying to come up with a name for baby Gohan, but I guess he could be off training and came back as soon as he heard that the baby was born.

[Jigurashi]

There's the filler where Goku, Chichi, and Ox King are trying to come up with a name for baby Gohan, but I guess he could be off training and came back as soon as he heard that the baby was born.

I thought when Goku met up with his friends at Kame House he mentions he never really got much training done? I could be remembering wrong though.

[pacz360]

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

More like in the manga.
In the anime goku said he never saw goten being born due ringing being dead which was understandable here in the manga goku never saw gohan? Yeah this is defiantly toyo bs in it

He rubs salt on the wound even more by having Vegeta criticizing Goku of parenthood, like Vegeta of all people he's still a shit father in my book. While on his good days an ok one at best, just because he took Trunks to some fair once, doesn't refute all the stuff he's done in the past.

Yeah vegeta isn't the one to talk about this shit

[pacz360]

Wtf it's like they try there hardest to screw with his character, I can understand not being there Goten, but Gohan--like did Toyotaro really need to include something like that, it's makes more unlikeable than he already is in Super.

More like in the manga.
In the anime goku said he never saw goten being born due ringing being dead which was understandable here in the manga goku never saw gohan? Yeah this is defiantly toyo bs in it

I honestly forgot if he mentioned Gohan or not in the anime. But I went back to episode 77 and 78 and saw that he didn't mention Gohan. That's pretty strange. I get not being aware of Goten, but not being aware of Gohan?

IDK either I think this is only a manga only version while the anime never mentions this

[The gr]

Of course I'm expecting knee jerking reaction, double post,etc as if he is a good husband to begin with considering he never kiss chi chi.vegeta bad mouthing him is annoying through

[Rhuagh]

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

[HeroR]

In the anime, it's never said either way if Goku was there for Gohan's birth. Goku only mentioned Goten since he was dead and later he acted like he seen Goten as a baby when Bra was born, only for Chi-Chi to remind him that he was dead, which seems to indicate that he may have been there for Gohan's birth.

Either way, there is no 'canon' statement that Goku was there when Gohan was born, but the general assumption is that he was. But I would honestly not be surprised if he wasn't.

[The gr]

Jesus Christ, the community is so obsessed with how bad they think Goku is as a parent that any reference that is made as to how he isn't the most common guy on earth is met with extreme overreaction. You people have daddy issues or what?

Preach it brother,people just need to accept Goku is not perfect or your everyday guy,idk why people think he was nice & selfless man in the original 42 volume

Him being a reckless douche made him entertaining,look at the buu saga,I just love his behavior there,without those traits he would have been a boring protagonists,I just noticed it when I was re reading DB again