Things DB should have had...but didn't

[Tatsunoboshi Horoko]

Goku: We did it!
Chichi: That's nice dear.
Gohan: So, what did you girls do while we were gone?
Videl: Not much. *giggle*
Bulma: Same old, same old. *wink*
Vegeta: ... whatever.

If you read that before you read the paragraph preceding it...*gets mind out of the gutter*

I agree with the "Super Saiyan 2" thing that Duo said. It seemed like, when it was used, it wasn't really "used." (Well, except in that Goku vs Vegeta fight during the Boo Saga...)

[Xyex]

A female character that is both a) useful and b) able to remain useful against the next villain. #18 was sooooo clooooose... XD

That's large reason I have so many new female characters in my AH series (Appla, Vadora, Hotaru, Sora, Sango, Sakura, Cheri, Akemi....), and why I made Videl a half Saiyan. Granted, Hotaru spends most of the series lagging behind the original (Saiyan) cast to varrying degrees, but she still keeps up fairly well.

[DemonKingPiccolo]

Gohan defeating Majin Boo and Goku remaining dead and/or not in the spotlight after the Cell Game. I would have been fine if his only fights were against Majin Vegeta and Boo.

Exactly as someone else said, darn fans. Toriyama attempted numerous times to retire Goku from Dragon Ball but the fans simply wanted more.
First his intention (as I recall) was to end the series at the Freeza saga.

*Goku dies as the only Super Saiyan in the Universe.... bla bla bla. Fans wanted more, so it hadn't worked as he planned.

*So as an alternative, he made two other characters stronger then Goku: Piccolo and Vegeta.

*When that idea failed, he made Goku train Gohan to become his sucessor. Toriyama succeeded when he made Gohan stronger then Goku and become the savior of the world. As a result, he killed Goku off for Good.... or hoped to at least...

*Fans simply wanted more Dragon Ball, however Toriyama didn't want to bring Goku back. So to satisfy Goku fans, he created Goten. Identicle to Goku in every way, including their personalities. However, fans didn't accept this idea. So Toriyama had to bring Goku back and Goten shrank into the background as an extra character.

*Toriyama had three more tricks up his sleeve in an attempt to retire Goku from the series. The first was giving Goku a sense of retirement and even making him reach his natural limit (as Goku subtly states numerous times in the Chibi Boo fight). The second was making three good characters utterly Surpass Goku in power (Gohan, Gotenks, and Vegetto). And finally the third was having Goku finally find his sucessor in the form of Uub.

I would've also loved to see more of Super Saiyan level 2.

I totally agree with you on that Duo, Super Saiyan 2 is my favorite one.

Other things that they should've had in Dragon Ball was more complex stories. The stories were basic and easy to follow, as opposed to say... Noir where the Story is difficult to understand at times because of the "he said, she said"/ random content.

[Rocketman]

With Goku and the others arriving just too late to be of any help.

Instant Transmission.

Anyways:

Less Gohan. In fact, no Gohan. Ever. Except Grandpa Gohan.

Vegetto's fusion never breaks up.

No levels above Super Saiyan 1.

Piccolo being the equal of SSJs Goku and Vegeta. Forget the humans after SSJ is introduced. I can watch almost any other series on Earth to see human characters kicking ass. I wanna see Saiyans and Nameks busting heads in DBZ.

[caejones]

A chess set. With... "Earth's Special Forces" vs "Planet Trade" or "Babidi and Majin Gero!". And I'd like to list each team's members/positions played, but that'd be annoying. *looks for a way to hide said information in some element of the post*

Umm, yeah. Maybe a better impression of what some of the forgotten characters were doing/whatever in the later arks. Not really for importance so much as "I'm sure there's something interesting going on here character-wise that filler fails to capitalize on...". Granted, I'm not sure how that could have been done without derailing the focus of the narrative... maybe... umm... stuff... and junk and stuff...
Like someone wondering where Ten and Chaozu were pre-SSJ3, and then having some brief scene to show what they're doing. Or ... an idea of post "The guy that sent a minion to kill you took your girlfriend" Yamcha. Just... so we know what's going on with the characters.
(I was surprised the last time I watched the "Z-warriors prepare" episode at how much Yamcha there reminded me of early DB Yamcha...).

[Godo]

About the Piccolo vs. Vegeta that would be really doable:

When Cell has appeared for the first time, Piccolo kicks his butt. Then Vegeta arrives, and looks annoyed of Piccolo´s new found powers.
Piccolo tells to everyone about Cell. Vegeta says that if Cell absorbs the androids they have two less opponents.

Now is when the filler starts:
Piccolo tells Vegeta that is a dumb idea. They start to fight and insult eachother and throws punches at eachother. Vegeta goes SSJ and Piccolo powers up. They fight and Vegeta looses, whilst Piccolo remains wounded, being weakened after the fight with Cell.
Vegeta flies off, all furious, and Piccolo takes a senzu bean.

Fin!

Think of it like when Goku "dies" in Namek and Vegeta beats the crap out of Gohan.

[Drunken Master]

SWEARING! That's what Dragonball needs. Swearing.

I was watching the new dubbed version of the Saiyan saga, and in the episode where Vegeta goes oozaru, he says "DAAAAAMN YOOOOU!!" to Goku when Goku blasts his eye, and then Krillin says something like "Damn! Gotta help Gohan!" when he has the spirit bomb. Also, Android #13 had a pretty foul mouth. "I was programmed to kill your ass, and that's exactly what I'm going to do". Also, he says ass again somewhere. Haha, Nappa called the world Navy pansies. I loled.

[Friezafan120]

Less slang, and should have ended after the Freeza Saga.

[Ozma15]

Thought of something else... I would have loved if, after the little 'it's a watch!' exchange on Namek, Gohan looked at the 4-star dragonball he was hiding from Vegeta and wondered if Goku was right about Grandpa Gohan's soul being in the 4-star and watching out for him and stuff. Some kind of supernatural experience between the Gohans would have been cool.

[Grandmaster J]

There really should have been an all-out, taking up an entire tankobon fight of Piccolo vs. Vegeta.

I agree with you on that one. What a dream match that would've been. I would've loved to have seen them go at it just once. All they ever did was mug each other and talk shit.

[Shadow_Rose]

I also would've loved to see some filler involving Penguin Village. Son Goku & family go to visit to meet with the Norimakis.

I was actually briefly considering a snippet along those lines with my fan character....Please don't immediately assume she's a Mary Sue if I say she's Goku's sister....If (like anyone's interested in my stories... ) you want to read about her, it's Dragon Ball Legacy Volume I: Reunited (I know the title's a bit long-winded, but I've got 10 stories, and that's only within my series, so subsequent stories are DBL Vol. II-X: *story title*)

[Shadow_Rose]

Ozma15 wrote:
A female character that is both a) useful and b) able to remain useful against the next villain. #18 was sooooo clooooose... XD

Then from Xyex:
That's large reason I have so many new female characters in my AH series (Appla, Vadora, Hotaru, Sora, Sango, Sakura, Cheri, Akemi....), and why I made Videl a half Saiyan. Granted, Hotaru spends most of the series lagging behind the original (Saiyan) cast to varrying degrees, but she still keeps up fairly well.

Exactly why I have such a large ratio of female to male characters. It was originally that I used to take Tae Kwon Do and wanted to show that girls could still kick ass, but then I reread my original version of Reunited and realized I have a really hard time writing men....I have *counts* 6 major female characters and 3 men....I think I only give the three men I have the "screen"time I do because I created them, so obviously I know their personalities. Hell, one of them's so cryptic and mysterious I still don't know his personality all that well....

[Bura]

More screentime for Vegeta's daughter.

*here she goes again*

[nitemare]

Things DragonBall should have had, but didnt:

Goku and Piccolo rematch

more involvement from Yamucha and Tenshinhan in actual fights (especially the first - he's my favorite character)

Furiza killed by united efforts of Goku and Piccolo, so both Saiyans and Namekians participate in revenge for their race (I say they should be about the same strenght after SSJ and Nail assimilation)

more of family & friends stuff (damn Goku didn't bother to visit Bulma and Vegeta for entire 5 years O_o)

Vegeta and Piccolo fight (I think that was pretty possible after they were moved by Porunga from Namek to Earth)

and....

I would really like to see Goku blasting that annoying Kaioshin ^^;

[Thanos6]

more of family & friends stuff (damn Goku didn't bother to visit Bulma and Vegeta for entire 5 years O_o)

Amen. I find that stupid even for Goku. Surely the Cell and Buu sagas, if they taught him NOTHING else, should have taught him the importance of being close to your family and friends because you never know if you might never see them again. Which is why I quietly ignore that part of the manga.

Also nice to see someone else who likes Yamcha.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Bomber Greek]

Kunzait, that is a brilliant idea. Really. You also forgot about him being teached by Mutaito. I think that it should also include the part where Mutaito dies trying to seal Piccolo.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Terra-jin]

Yeah, the history of Muten Roshi is really interesting.

I also think the history of Namek and the Kaioshin / Kaio should have been deepened. The races who created the Dragonball and ruled the Universe respectively should have a rich and mystic history.

Before the great disaster, Namek was a peaceful planet rich with life. It was covered by Ajissa plants and the Nameks seemed to be content with the beauty of their planet. Among the race was a clan of Nameks who had the mysterious power to create Dragonballs. They brought life to a Dragon God and housed its grand spirit into seven Dragonball.
The purpose of this Dragon God was to safeguard wisdom and hope for the Nameks and anyone who visited their planet. Through the guidance of the Dragon God, named Porunga, the technology and spirituality of the Nameks advanced by leaps and bounds. You see, Porunga was seen as an Oracle who provided ancient wisdom in order to guide the Namekian race into maturity and beyond. Since the Nameks were content with their planet, they rarely wished for anything other than council.

Where do the Kaioshin and the Kaio come from? Are they eternal spirits who rule the Universe and the Afterlife? As indicated by Old Kaioshin, they just get very, very old. It seems to me that they were originally a race from the mortal Universe, who advanced so much in technology and spirituality that they transcended to the throne of the Universe.
Since then, the Kaioshin live outside of the known Universe or Afterlife - a higher plane of existence. A few of their race stayed behind to rule the Universe and are succeeded by their new generations when their time comes.
In this higher plane of existence, life is lived through myriad colours, sounds and feelings far outside the material spectrum of experience. The life they live there is incomparable to mortal life - unimaginable, literally, because no experience like it exists in the mortal realm. The Kaioshin have taken to the responsibility to guide the Universe in such a way that more races eventually become sophisticated enough to rise to the higher realm.

Something like this should have been a part of Dragonball and the history of its races. Of course, it would've been a rather LENGTHY manga if all of our ideas here were to be incorporated

[Adey]

Consistant showings of power : By this I mean, Nappa by all means is nowhere near as strong as anyone else in the sagas that come after the Saiyan Saga, but yet he can still level an entire city with two fingers, so therefore Vegetto should be busting planets with merely his eyelashes. However, even stray ki blasts only make small explosions. I know it would be stupid if one little ki blast destroyed half of the earth, but you know.. (I think I recall Kaioshin saying his planet could take way more punishment than Earth, so I'll let that one go, it actually made sense to fight there)

Piccolo vs Vegeta : Just once I'd have liked to have seen them fight, at first when Vegeta was making fun of Goku and how he was going to die on Namek with Freeza, and him and Gohan briefly scrapped (I'm sure this was filler, but if I'm wrong just correct me ), and I thought Piccolo was going to lay the smackdown on Vegeta (Not that he could though, I'm sure Vegeta was stronger at the time but still.) If not then, in the android saga at some time when they were near enough the same power level.