Once again, YOU are the one making assumptions. We have no factual proof that the original/mastered SS form's multiplier is anything besides a 50 times boost when used normally, nor that it can be increased on its own. What we DO have are OFFICIAL supplementary materials to back up the static multiplication. Supplementary, but OFFICIAL nonetheless. There have been NO retcons about the original/mastered SS form to date in that regard, compared to things like the Potara earings and SS2.Okora wrote: The first statement you made does support the idea that there is any multipliers only that super saiyan makes you stronger which we already knew anyway. Also the daizenshuu has made multiple statements that contradict things stated in the manga and recent things. Ratiz power level, potara being permanent, Gohan being rusty. Most of the daizenshuu is 50 50 at best. The daizenshuu has never once been a reliable source and hardly means anymore than the gt files or any promotional material. Because that's really all the daizenshuu is promotional material. Also no Gt is not any different from using the daizenshuu because Toriyama had the same involvement in both. At this point your just saying whatever. There is no reason or any logic reason at all why super saiyan 2 power level can be raised and super saiyan 1s cant and you still haven't provided a reason why. They are all the same form. The reason why they are called 2 and 3 and graded and what not is simply for convenience but in universe they are still the same form. It's like if you change the settings on your tv. Also yes I read Toriyama statement he didn't say anything about new forms. If anything is statement was to say stop focusing on new forms and go back to the basics. I'm sorry but your argument falls flat and you still haven't said anything that supports the idea of super saiyan being a static multiper. Actually I don't even think the Daizenshuu said it couldn't be increased you said that. If super saiyan 2 power level can rise we have no reason to assume that none of the others can't. That's why this argument is pointless because you are just saying they can't without any reason or evidence why.
Guess what? SS Grades 2/3 and SS2, being the same form according to Toriyama and you, is already your proof that the original SS form's power can be increased. And guess what else? In that regard, you've been arguing a moot point in the first place because your question has been answered. Not the answer you're looking for?
Go ahead. Find the exact statement or scene from a guidebook, the manga, or the anime that DEFINITIVELY PROVES that your point is correct, that the original/mastered SS form's multiplication can be increased beyond its official 50 times boost. Go ahead. Do it. Right now or with some time. If you can do this, then we concede the point to you. If you can't, then don't go around presuming your assumptions and headcanon to be factually true.