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Post by Super Sonic » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:13 pm

shenron002 wrote:The greatest bastardization of a Japanese show was, "The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" aka "Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger" if anyone seen the original Japanese show, you'll know what I mean. Oh yeah and it was done by "Saban" but orignally produced by "Toei", no wonder "Dragon Ball Z" was mistreated.
So you think West Side Story is a bastardization of Romeo and Juliet too then? It's like the same thing.

Also I've noticed with the talk about Europeans having "real DBZ", they and Japan change things in American cartoons and no one complains. Is it because they were kids at the time or what?

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:23 pm

Lobster_Rage155 wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Or that the farmer took a bullet to the face and was still groaning on the ground like it was a flesh wound?
Hate to nitpick, but the bullet actually just nails his gun in the anime version... but eh. Just felt like pointing that one out.

Carry on. >_>
No, it goes through his gun, breaking it in the process.
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Post by Lobster_Rage155 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:30 pm

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Onikage725 wrote:Or that the farmer took a bullet to the face and was still groaning on the ground like it was a flesh wound?
Hate to nitpick, but the bullet actually just nails his gun in the anime version... but eh. Just felt like pointing that one out.

Carry on. >_>
No, it goes through his gun, breaking it in the process.
Yes, but it never makes bodily contact with the farmer himself, unlike what you claim.

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Really trivial, I know, but it bugs me when people say that, even though it's just onscreen for a couple of seconds.

Anyhoo...

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Post by Adamant » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:46 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Also I've noticed with the talk about Europeans having "real DBZ", they and Japan change things in American cartoons and no one complains.
We do? Care to give examples?

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:47 pm

Lobster_Rage155 wrote:
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Lobster_Rage155 wrote: Hate to nitpick, but the bullet actually just nails his gun in the anime version... but eh. Just felt like pointing that one out.

Carry on. >_>
No, it goes through his gun, breaking it in the process.
Yes, but it never makes bodily contact with the farmer himself, unlike what you claim.

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Really trivial, I know, but it bugs me when people say that, even though it's just onscreen for a couple of seconds.

Anyhoo...
Hm, good call. Still, the scene is pretty quick, and the farmer wasn't waving the gun to his far right prior to getting "shot." Seems to me that the bullet goes through the gun and him. And from that angle of the shot, it looks like the bullet comes sideways and crosses him, the lack of a hole could just mean an animation goof.

We could over analyze the specific way it was animated, but the fact is the farmer is killed by Raditz, and it was trussed up to seem like he wasn't in the Saban dub. This happens numerous times (the city scene I mentioned, Tien seeing parachutes from one chopper, some vehicles being said to be un-manned, Freeza killing the one henchman who killed a Namek survivor instead of interrogating him turned into him non-lethally knocking him on his ass for giving sass to Zarbon).

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Whether Toei's implication is that it was the bullet or the head-on with the truck, the fact is that while he lay there still as death and Raditz smirked, he did not begin mumbling about how "that smarts."
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Post by Conan the SSJ » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:54 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Hm, good call. Still, the scene is pretty quick, and the farmer wasn't waving the gun to his far right prior to getting "shot." Seems to me that the bullet goes through the gun and him. And from that angle of the shot, it looks like the bullet comes sideways and crosses him, the lack of a hole could just mean an animation goof.

We could over analyze the specific way it was animated, but the fact is the farmer is killed by Raditz, and it was trussed up to seem like he wasn't in the Saban dub.
Animation goof or not, this is yet another event that differs the anime from the manga, the Farmer surviving. Even without added dialogue, the bullet clearly doesn't go through him and Raditz never confirms if he's dead from the velocity of being knocked down. Also, when Gohan is kidnapped, he's suddenly missing while his truck remains (ran off in fear off-screen?). Not to mention in later anime filler, we see him alive and well in certain cameos. 8)
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Post by Super Sonic » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:26 pm

Adamant wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:Also I've noticed with the talk about Europeans having "real DBZ", they and Japan change things in American cartoons and no one complains.
We do? Care to give examples?
Well there was "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" which led to changing Michelangelo to having a grappling hook to make it easier over there and also:

G.I. Joe US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnuGhuNZnFs

G.I. Joe UK... I mean "Action Force": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSukwidtVs

X-Men US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OGRwARTHA

X-Men Japan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjud8cVRFsk

Now I admit the Japanese X-Men theme intro looked cool and it was when they used scenes from it in the US credits in syndication. Just saying when US isn't only guilty of changing things with foreign properties.

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:36 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Hm, good call. Still, the scene is pretty quick, and the farmer wasn't waving the gun to his far right prior to getting "shot." Seems to me that the bullet goes through the gun and him. And from that angle of the shot, it looks like the bullet comes sideways and crosses him, the lack of a hole could just mean an animation goof.

We could over analyze the specific way it was animated, but the fact is the farmer is killed by Raditz, and it was trussed up to seem like he wasn't in the Saban dub.
Animation goof or not, this is yet another event that differs the anime from the manga, the Farmer surviving. Even without added dialogue, the bullet clearly doesn't go through him and Raditz never confirms if he's dead from the velocity of being knocked down. Also, when Gohan is kidnapped, he's suddenly missing while his truck remains (ran off in fear off-screen?). Not to mention in later anime filler, we see him alive and well in certain cameos. 8)
Heh, I don't put much stock into filler inconsistencies. It is every bit as likely that no body is present later because the animators simply forgot that their ought to be. And Toei reusing an old character model for cameos isn't anything new either.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:54 pm

Super Sonic wrote:G.I. Joe UK... I mean "Action Force": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSukwidtVs
ZOMG DEY CHANGED the MOOZIK AND the TITLE AND NOW IT SAYS "INTARNATONEL" AND NOT "AMERCAN" WAHWAHWAHSHITTYWAHWAHWAH AND THEY HAVE SOME STOOPID BIRT TALKIN AN IT RUINS the EMOTIONALITIES ALL WHO LIKE DIS ARE TARDS

Edit: THEY TOOK OUT "YO JOE!" THEY TOOK OUT "YO JOE!" \NEVER BUYING FROM DIS FAGGOTRY I HAVE A BIG PENIS CAUSE I WATCH THE ORIGINAL

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:04 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:G.I. Joe UK... I mean "Action Force": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSukwidtVs
ZOMG DEY CHANGED the MOOZIK AND the TITLE AND NOW IT SAYS "INTARNATONEL" AND NOT "AMERCAN" WAHWAHWAHSHITTYWAHWAHWAH AND THEY HAVE SOME STOOPID BIRT TALKIN AN IT RUINS the EMOTIONALITIES ALL WHO LIKE DIS ARE TARDS

Edit: THEY TOOK OUT "YO JOE!" THEY TOOK OUT "YO JOE!" \NEVER BUYING FROM DIS FAGGOTRY I HAVE A BIG PENIS CAUSE I WATCH THE ORIGINAL
What's your point? Super Sonic was asked to give examples of times something was changed, he gave some examples. If you don't think it was a big deal, you can say as much without being a dick about it.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:10 pm

Onikage725 wrote:What's your point? Super Sonic was asked to give examples of times something was changed, he gave some examples. If you don't think it was a big deal, you can say as much without being a dick about it.
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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:12 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:What's your point? Super Sonic was asked to give examples of times something was changed, he gave some examples. If you don't think it was a big deal, you can say as much without being a dick about it.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:19 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind.
Says the mind too weak to even know it on sight.

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Post by caejones » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:41 pm

PR=Japanese: I think the only reason I knew this while the first season was airing (ur, or, um, maybe the night the second season started ^^) was because my parents got into it as well (My dad got me into the original MMPR... I could hardly tell what was going on at first... call it bad observation skills. >.>.). Anyway, my father noticed it was based on a Japanese original somehow, so by extension I found out...


Heck, DBZ was similar... Dad got into it before me.

But... umm... yeah... Season 3 was such a mondo bastardization that... well... it was a bastard.
But none of it really had any impact on me.
Until I heard Krillin call Gohan "Bro" and do a Humfry Bogart (SP?) impression.
WTF?
... WT Effing F?
Pojo magazine owneth that. :shock:


Somewhere between here and there I came up with a thought...

With "your father was an average fighter, but he was a briliant scientist!", it seems that the writers during the Sabandays either didn't care or didn't expect the Bardock special would ever get involved, which leads me to believe they didn't expect the series to go to completion. Which leaves me wondering...
You think, had it not turned into the biggest thing of its day, and Saban hadn't flopped, they would have ended the series at Freeza or Cell?
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Post by Tsukento » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:49 am

Speaking of Burdock, I love how even after having dubbed the special, they didn't bother to fix their error in the season boxset where Freeza's men were refered by Burdock as his own men and telling them not to be afraid of Freeza...despite the fact that it was his own, solitary assault against Freeza.

They fixed the first Burdock error when redubbing Seasons 1 and 2, but they made no effort to fix the second error.

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Post by Vekurotto » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:18 am

Tsukento wrote:They fixed the first Burdock error when redubbing Seasons 1 and 2, but they made no effort to fix the second error.
Wow, that's just interesting and funny and retarded at the same time on Funimation's part.

In the dubbed version of the TV special, I don't think he said anything like what he says in the dub of the TV series either. Since he was alone, and Freeza's men attack him. So they couldn't have been Bardock's men. I could be wrong about this though since because I haven't seen that TV special dubbed in years.
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Post by Onikage725 » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:49 am

Rocketman wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind.
Says the mind too weak to even know it on sight.
So you're claiming that inane post of yours was legit, and you were expressing pure rage at the "Action Force" changes? Because my initial rpeply to you was assuming you were being sarcastic. I really dont get how you're telling me I can't recognize sarcasm when I was telling you not to be so sarcastic. I didn't think you were being serious, and the only way I could have not "gotten it" is if you were actually being on point.
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Tsukento wrote:They fixed the first Burdock error when redubbing Seasons 1 and 2, but they made no effort to fix the second error.
Wow, that's just interesting and funny and retarded at the same time on Funimation's part.

In the dubbed version of the TV special, I don't think he said anything like what he says in the dub of the TV series either. Since he was alone, and Freeza's men attack him. So they couldn't have been Bardock's men. I could be wrong about this though since because I haven't seen that TV special dubbed in years.
You're right. The actual scene in "Bardock: The Father of Goku" is basically done right. There's no reason for them to not have fixed this. Especially if its true that Sonny Straight was redubbing Krillin lines. It actually would have increased dub continuity (or did he do the voice in that flashback?). And if I recall correctly, when "fixing" the first Bardock mistake, didn't they still have Vegeta say he picked it up from him? They took out the scientist thing, but still had to have that little bit of fanon in there.

I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but they re-dubbed the announcer. I just kind of think season 3 was so shoddy it needed a re-dub all around. Maybe not Freeza (poor dialogue aside, Linda's Freeza hasn't changed really), but Sean's taken Goku (for example) and done his own thing with it now. Back then he had this crappy Ian Corlett impersonation going.
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Post by Conan the SSJ » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:59 am

Onikage725 wrote:And if I recall correctly, when "fixing" the first Bardock mistake, didn't they still have Vegeta say he picked it up from him? They took out the scientist thing, but still had to have that little bit of fanon in there.
Actually, FUNi correctly fixed the mistake and made sure there was no mention of Bardock, picking up the technique from a scientist, or anything regarding that jazz on Rigul 7. He merely explained to Kakarrot the concept of the "Blutz Waves" and how the fake moon can stimulate a Saiyan's tail to activate the transformation. All that wasn't really translated from the Japanese version in this moment was Goku's realizing that Vegeta's Ki dropped significantly after creating the moon ball, which since he wasn't fully aware of the Great Ape transformation, didn't make sense to himself that Vegeta would do this.
Onikage725 wrote:I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but they re-dubbed the announcer.
That's been known for ages, ever since before the first season set where Kyle Hebert confirmed he was redubbing Dale Kelly's lines for over a hundred-somewhat episodes.
Kunzait_83 wrote:Are you kidding me? It was SOOOO obvious!

Even when I was like 9 or 10 I could pick out everything that was taken from the Japanese footage. All you had to do was look for the sudden shift in picture quality from clear U.S. video to grainy Japanese film stock.
Heya, back then the only indication the show was of Japanese origin to most viewers was the Toei credit at the end of the episodes, and what kid paid attention to those? There was practically no internet either, so it isn't like we could just automatically learn the show had some Japanese culture connection. I mean, this was a live-action kids show in the early-mid 90s, although looking back at episodes from the first season, I find it so strange how fooled I was. You can spot Japanese kanji, Japanese people, spellings of ZYURANGERS, etc. all over in that Sentai footage; not to metnion as you pointed out, the quality difference
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Well, weren't we all weird kids at one time or another? Yay for the old school grain-fest of Zyurangers' digi-beta quality. [sarcasm]Hey FUNi, wide-screen and blurrify that bloody sum bitch; we need Mighty Morphin' in your hell of an HD format![/sarcasm]
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:54 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:Heya, back then the only indication the show was of Japanese origin to most viewers was the Toei credit at the end of the episodes, and what kid paid attention to those?
That and I remember a magazine that was published way back in 1993-94. I read it on the newstands and remember it mentioning Zyuranger. It suddenly made sense as to why the yellow/tiger ranger had a penis. I mean, Trini (RIP Thuy Trang) wasn't as girly as Kimberly, but a cock? :P

I think the big tip-off for me was when the "Green Ranger" thing happened, you saw "Tommy" get up from the table and he was...well, Asian. LAWL HAY BURAI.

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