"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by pacz360 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff

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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:12 pm

pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff
There will probably be a lot of eliminations he won't show in detail, I imagine up to 4 panels at most.

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Post by MyNiggaGoku » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:29 pm

I imagine Toyo using something similar to what Mashima used during Laxus' attack to the Fairy Tail Guild:some kind of narrator text informing us the amount of the remaining fighters.
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Post by sintzu » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:31 pm

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pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
There will probably be a lot of eliminations he won't show in detail, I imagine up to 4 panels at most.
We'll probably get a main fight like Goku vs Kale and when it's over we'll get something like "Kale is out, alongside 3 fighters from u9 and 2 from u6".
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Post by LightBing » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:40 pm

It really depends on how he organizes the royal rumble.
I assume we won't have the holding back stupidity to create artificial drama and extensive focus on Goku for no apparent reason. Which mean instead of having Goku clearing people and struggling, Toyotarõ can have people like Kuririn and Tenshinhan clearing the weaker people, Goku and Vegeta maybe struggle with groups of opponents with special abilities and/or above average opponents who spike their interest.

He might even make at least one character per one Universe that "God Tier" or close to it giving people like Hit, Vegeta and the likes actual challenges.

One thing I hope is done is trimming the field by clearing characters that can't handle the shock waves of two juggernauts fighting. The anime has missed this, it's a pretty useful method and looks great.

It's certainly a challenge and it depends on how Toyotarõ will organize this arc.

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Post by emperior » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:31 pm

pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff
If I were him, I would show many of the useless fighters getting ringed out just in one panel.
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:13 pm

pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff
The numbers of pages of each chapter will be longer and the arc will be many chapaters long.

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Post by The gr » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:30 pm

I know this sound silly but i want to see all 80 character eleminated on screen,an elemination with narirama/kale rampage or with jiren and goku fist clashing causing a shockwave that eleminate three or two people.He could also do a quick match in 3 page while something important is happening.
    This arc will push toyo limit as an artist with drawing a lot of back to back figths
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    Post by HeroR » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:50 pm

    In general, a battle royal is easier to show in a manga than in an anime for several reasons. One Piece also had a battle royal, although smaller than 80 people at once. The anime tried to replicated the manga to mix results.

    Although in fairness, the One Piece battle royal was mostly thugs fighting, while Dragon Ball has mostly trained fighters.
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    Post by Kanassa » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:10 am

    HeroR wrote: Although in fairness, the One Piece battle royal was mostly thugs fighting, while Dragon Ball has mostly trained fighters.
    Plus with One Piece, the majority of the fighters were generic goon fodder so you don't have to worry about focusing on a large amount of characters.
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    Post by dbgtFO » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:04 am

    namekiansaiyan wrote:
    pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
    He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff
    The numbers of pages of each chapter will be longer and the arc will be many chapaters long.
    Doubtful to the first, likely to the latter. I really don't think he's going to have more than 45 pages a month and if so the absolute limit would be 50, I imagine. More chapters overall? Yeah seems very likely.

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    Post by Hawk9211 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:36 am

    Tbh,after seeing the anime version.I don’t mind if few characters are knocked out off screen.I especially want the yardrat,tuffle and someone from other universes get more focus.Would love to see a battle mage other than darcori or technique oriented character other than hit and yardrat.
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    Post by Miracles » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:33 pm

    pacz360 wrote:I'm curious on how can toyo handle the battle royal?
    He gonna have to get rid of the fodder immediately to get to the good stuff
    If he can actually make it look like a battle royal where the fighting is constant and tension is always up. It'll easily be better than the anime.
    The battles have to be quick and intense between heavy hitters, fodders can be used for strategic aid and sneak attacks to help powerful teammates.
    However fodder characters of the Z Senshi like Kurrin a Tien should get respective one on one's.
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    Post by Draconic » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:40 pm

    If he eliminates fodder off screen, what's even the point of making it a Battle Royale? Every elimination should be shown. If he really doesn't want to focus on everybody, he should just take useless characters out in like two chapters of chaotic fighting then move on to the more coordinated fights between the main players.
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    Post by Pannaliciour » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:07 pm

    Read the manga now with tramslation. Great chapter.

    But wasn't there a contradiction in it?

    When Goku said I am not even close to their level (the GODs) I thought oh no is he that far away. But when he fought Toppo he turned ssj god/ blue, then a GOD said something like he is on our level.

    So what is it now how strong do you think Blue goku is in the manga?

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    Post by MaskedRider » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:23 pm

    Pannaliciour wrote:Read the manga now with tramslation. Great chapter.

    But wasn't there a contradiction in it?

    When Goku said I am not even close to their level (the GODs) I thought oh no is he that far away. But when he fought Toppo he turned ssj god/ blue, then a GOD said something like he is on our level.

    So what is it now how strong do you think Blue goku is in the manga?
    I think they were surprised that mortals could fight on the level that is considered to be godly

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    Post by IM21 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:30 pm

    Pannaliciour wrote:Read the manga now with tramslation. Great chapter.

    But wasn't there a contradiction in it?

    When Goku said I am not even close to their level (the GODs) I thought oh no is he that far away. But when he fought Toppo he turned ssj god/ blue, then a GOD said something like he is on our level.

    So what is it now how strong do you think Blue goku is in the manga?
    When Goku transformed in SSJ God, Helles mentioned that now he is as a god, which is probably cause of the aura. And later while fighting Toppo, Iwan said that the fight is at the level of gods. So, it was never really mentioned that he is as powerful as a god. Goku vs Beerus was also a fight at level of gods, but Goku was/is still weaker than Beerus. It could just mean that 2 godly powers are fighting eachother.

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    Post by Pannaliciour » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:53 pm

    IM21 wrote:
    Pannaliciour wrote:Read the manga now with tramslation. Great chapter.

    But wasn't there a contradiction in it?

    When Goku said I am not even close to their level (the GODs) I thought oh no is he that far away. But when he fought Toppo he turned ssj god/ blue, then a GOD said something like he is on our level.

    So what is it now how strong do you think Blue goku is in the manga?
    When Goku transformed in SSJ God, Helles mentioned that now he is as a god, which is probably cause of the aura. And later while fighting Toppo, Iwan said that the fight is at the level of gods. So, it was never really mentioned that he is as powerful as a god. Goku vs Beerus was also a fight at level of gods, but Goku was/is still weaker than Beerus. It could just mean that 2 godly powers are fighting eachother.
    But Iwan said the battle is already at the level of US gods. He is referring to himself and the other gods.

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    Post by Dragon Wukong » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:01 pm

    I do think they're differentiating from deities, (Kais, Supreme Kais) and GODS (the GoD's).

    I'd say there's still at least a 20-15% difference between Goku and Beerus, (who seems to be at least in the top 3 most powerful GoDs,) which would at least be enough for Goku to put up some defense against a GoD, and therefore have a fight at the level of one, but still end up losing. Though honestly, am I the only one who gets a vibe that Goku or Vegeta could probably beat Sidra?

    Like, sure Goku couldn't keep up with the fight, but it was TWELVE GoD's doing a free-for-all and not even Zeno could keep track. And Goku maintained composure from hearing Rumsshi's roar.

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    Post by Pannaliciour » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:23 am

    Dragon Wukong wrote:I do think they're differentiating from deities, (Kais, Supreme Kais) and GODS (the GoD's).

    I'd say there's still at least a 20-15% difference between Goku and Beerus, (who seems to be at least in the top 3 most powerful GoDs,) which would at least be enough for Goku to put up some defense against a GoD, and therefore have a fight at the level of one, but still end up losing. Though honestly, am I the only one who gets a vibe that Goku or Vegeta could probably beat Sidra?

    Like, sure Goku couldn't keep up with the fight, but it was TWELVE GoD's doing a free-for-all and not even Zeno could keep track. And Goku maintained composure from hearing Rumsshi's roar.
    That would make sense.

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