Complete BT3 Info and Discussion Thread [UPDATED 10/02/07]

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:11 pm

Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't think they really got the point of that attack. It makes the evil expand in you even if you have just an ounce of it in your soul. So Master Roshi and Freeza would both explode despite one being less evil then the other. Basically you'd have to be 100% pure of heart not combust from your own evil. But I suppose it IS a videogame.
And Special Beam Cannon should punch your heart out through the back of your chest.

Actually in Neo it sort of looked like it did, but that's beside the point. I just find the varying damage while a nice touch to be just a lot of added work for them when it doesn't even make sense if you go by what the show says. I understand it wouldn't make anyone explode when they had full health but it really should do equal damage to everybody.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:04 pm

Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't think they really got the point of that attack. It makes the evil expand in you even if you have just an ounce of it in your soul. So Master Roshi and Freeza would both explode despite one being less evil then the other. Basically you'd have to be 100% pure of heart not combust from your own evil. But I suppose it IS a videogame.
And Special Beam Cannon should punch your heart out through the back of your chest.

Well, in Neo it did go through you like that and make you fall down. Plus it was unblockable.

Though we can't exactly have characters dishing out one hit KOs.

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:18 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:Ha! This is cute.

For those who haven't seen Babidi's ultimate, he basically whips out that ki siphoning device and let's loose a massive ki blast from it. For his throw he impales his opponent with it, drains some ki, Artificial Human style, and knocks them away.

Well... evidently someone just discovered that every time you use his throw it "powers up" his ultimate attack! So in other words, the more you throw your enemy before using his ultimate, the more damage his ultimate will do. You can jack it up over the course of the fight to do utterly insane amounts of damage.

Also Akkuman... the damage dealt by his ultimate varies depending on how "evil" the character is. Use it on a good guy, and the damage dealt is negligible. Use it on a villain and it does really big damage. Use it on a demonic character like Dabura or Daimao, and the damage dealt is astronomical.

Check out these videos which demonstrate both.

Babidi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug7tgHtRWfM

Akkuman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInsvXCLBi8

Wow, those two characters are so much more interesting now. Especially Babidi, with that better-version-of-the-Spirit-Bomb ultimate attack.

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:21 am

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't think they really got the point of that attack. It makes the evil expand in you even if you have just an ounce of it in your soul. So Master Roshi and Freeza would both explode despite one being less evil then the other. Basically you'd have to be 100% pure of heart not combust from your own evil. But I suppose it IS a videogame.
And Special Beam Cannon should punch your heart out through the back of your chest.
Well, in Neo it did go through you like that and make you fall down. Plus it was unblockable.

Though we can't exactly have characters dishing out one hit KOs.

No, no one hits this is true. I think it is quite difficult as in the show Akkuman's beam killed everyone with evil (and he was shocked to learn that Goku had not a bit of that in him).
But in game-balance you can't do that - so this is quite a nice try to make this attack resemble it's usefullness somehow.
If it had had same damage on all evils and all goods it would have been nice, too, but I kinda like it the way it is now.

As for Neo and Special Beam cannon: I always thought the attack sucked.
It was (like Vegeta SSJ1 Final Flash or the "original Kamehameha") way too slow in charging and beam speed.
It also had little usefullness after this high speed melee rush you could do in sparking mode - it took too long to charge it for proper damage (compared to a Kamehameha for example).
I mean, it was somehow canon as it took Piccolo (in Saiyan arc) long to charge this attack, but it just didn't make sense, as you only had one-on-ones in this game, no one was holding the opponent for you or stopping him from attacking you...

I think, it is now quite cool in Meteor and finally looks like a Special Beam Cannon. It's not pink (like in Budokai) and not too slow like in BT2.
So now I really like it more than ever before

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:35 am

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:56 am

There is something that I didn't quite understand:
Why did they delete some manual rush combos from characters like for example Goku (late)?

The two Gokus before had this "Ki-cannon+3 smashes"-thing and he doesn't.

So, I just wonder: A character wouldn't develop backwards in fighting style and lose [some of the cool] techniques during his life - or would he? O_o

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:54 pm

kaioken12 wrote:So, I just wonder: A character wouldn't develop backwards in fighting style and lose [some of the cool] techniques during his life - or would he? O_o

Gohan.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:33 pm

Rocketman wrote:And Special Beam Cannon should punch your heart out through the back of your chest.

Incidentally, recently I had a dream involving som random postgrad making a DBZ Arcade game in some place where I ans some other people were. Ok, not much of interest there, but afterward I wound up playing the part of Goku in the Raditz fight and got to be cannon'd through the chest... but death was much quicker than in the anime...

Rocketman wrote: Gohan

Sigh, true. And for Goku... while he didn't necessarily lose techniques, he used certain ones more often after a while... and he cared less about death by the Buu saga (not fighting, but... backward development?). And... umm... Stuff.
... Wow, this gives me an image of Dragonball AF: Apathetic Father...

Lord Badass: *Kicks ass*
Pan: Rar! *Punches*
Lord Badass: *kills*
Goku: Well, I guess that didn't turn out so well. Want some pudding?
Pan: Now he's going to destroy the earth! And there are no dragonballs!
Goku: Well, so what? We still have pudding, and they have an afterlife...
Kuririn: *Downs a beer*

... Ok, ok, that didn't actually have anything to do with the game.

. But there was a DBZ game in it...

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:13 pm

Does Meteor have the password system from the previous games?

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:20 pm

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:19 pm

How far does the retro-compatibility of the passwords go? I read somewhere that Budokai 3 went as far as Final Bout.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:22 pm

Final Bout had passwords? For what... buildup mode?

Come to think of it... what are the passwords used for in the ps2 games?

kvon · Post by **kvon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:11 pm

DNA wrote:I read somewhere

Exactly.

All kidding aside though, I have never spotted any kind of passwords within Final Bout.

Futabatei Shimei · Post by **Futabatei Shimei** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:11 pm

The official Sparking Meteor site has updated with passwords for Goku (Late), Vegeta (Late), and Broli. These characters are equipped with the Z Items "Breakthrough" and "Complete Ki Control", which apparently cannot be obtained in the game.

kvon · Post by **kvon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:46 pm

Futabatei Shimei wrote:The official Sparking Meteor site has updated with passwords for Goku (Late), Vegeta (Late), and Broli. These characters are equipped with the Z Items "Breakthrough" and "Complete Ki Control", which apparently cannot be obtained in the game.

Sweet! Any word on what these items do?

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:48 pm

Per jipang:

Limit Break: All sates(sic) up to maximum.
Perfect Ki Control: All of Ki cost reduce to half.

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:05 am

Thanos6 wrote:Per jipang:

Limit Break: All sates(sic) up to maximum.
Perfect Ki Control: All of Ki cost reduce to half.

That's pretty sweet! Any downsides to these items though?

I hope these work in the NA version

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:14 am

No clue as of yet. All info is coming from jipang, a Japanese gamer who has done us all the great service of translating a lot of stuff into English.

http://anime.geocities.jp/dbzsmjpng/index.html This is his page. I help edit it, with editing here defined as helping him with his English.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:02 am

Thanos6 wrote:Per jipang:

Limit Break: All sates(sic) up to maximum.
Perfect Ki Control: All of Ki cost reduce to half.

So basically it's the same thing as 5 Kiss of #18 / Title [Tenkaichi] + Halo / Majin Seal except instead of busting your balls to get a total of 35 Dragon Balls, it's just a password. Sounds good to me.

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:47 am

Futabatei Shimei wrote:The official Sparking Meteor site has updated with passwords for Goku (Late), Vegeta (Late), and Broli. These characters are equipped with the Z Items "Breakthrough" and "Complete Ki Control", which apparently cannot be obtained in the game.

Wow, that sounds very interesting, very good characters for fighting against.

Kanzenshuu

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