HeroR wrote:I have been wondering, why didn't they suggest throwing Buu in the Time Chamber? Unlike in he anime where Vegeta blew it up, they still have access to it.
Because Toei and Toriyama decided that Buu is out.
Not answering the question.
Shh.. We don’t talk about that
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
HeroR wrote:I have been wondering, why didn't they suggest throwing Buu in the Time Chamber? Unlike in he anime where Vegeta blew it up, they still have access to it.
Because Toei and Toriyama decided that Buu is out.
Not answering the question.
That's the answer my friend. They needed a lame excuse to take him out and that's it.
I see the manga kept the stupid bullshit of "Don't tell anyone we're all gonna die if they don't come and fight! They won't come to fight if you do!". I mean, really? REALLY?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
STH wrote:There is no logic in the DBS series of power scale. I hope this series is considered an alternative continuing story in the future.
But you can consider as that. Dragon Ball has two continuities: anime and manga, the latter being the original work, which should be regarded as the only canon. Super has no connection with anything there.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
STH wrote:I hope this series is considered an alternative continuing story in the future.
These new stories aren't just what brought the franchise back but they're also from the original author so the chances of them just being forgotten or set aside for a "new" Z sequel are slim to none. Super and whatever future Toriyama stories are as important to everyone involved with the franchise as the original manga is.
Modern DB has produced a lot of fan favorite material like Beerus and Black (he was taken from us too soon. ) so it would make 0 sense to remove them from "canon".
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Love how the manga handled goku and 17. Good to see the characters acting like themselves..The manga is proving again that it is the definitive sequel.
ekrolo2 wrote:I see the manga kept the stupid bullshit of "Don't tell anyone we're all gonna die if they don't come and fight! They won't come to fight if you do!". I mean, really? REALLY?
At least,it was beerus who suggested that not gohan or any other U7 member.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
ekrolo2 wrote:I see the manga kept the stupid bullshit of "Don't tell anyone we're all gonna die if they don't come and fight! They won't come to fight if you do!". I mean, really? REALLY?
At least,it was beerus who suggested that not gohan or any other U7 member.
It's a stupid thing for anyone to suggest. Even Beerus knows that they aren't intimidated by world ending scenarios.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:I see the manga kept the stupid bullshit of "Don't tell anyone we're all gonna die if they don't come and fight! They won't come to fight if you do!". I mean, really? REALLY?
At least,it was beerus who suggested that not gohan or any other U7 member.
It's a stupid thing for anyone to suggest. Even Beerus knows that they aren't intimidated by world ending scenarios.
Beerus is also the guy who thought Goku needed motivation from Monaka....
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
ekrolo2 wrote:
It's a stupid thing for anyone to suggest. Even Beerus knows that they aren't intimidated by world ending scenarios.
Beerus is also the guy who thought Goku needed motivation from Monaka....
Toriyama did, which, well, just shows how much he understands his own characters nowadays...
I hate you both so much for reminding me of that crap.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:I hate you both so much for reminding me of that crap.
I liked the fact that Toriyama, for once, didn't use his "weak-looking guy turns out to be strong" trope and actually turned it on its head, but Monaka was literally the most useless character I think I've ever seen. Boo being out already served as a handicap and Vegeta and Goku are the last people who need any sort of motivation to keep training. Plus, Beerus and Whis already fill the "strong guy you should aspire to" position that Monaka was supposed to fill, so what the fuck?
ekrolo2 wrote:I hate you both so much for reminding me of that crap.
I liked the fact that Toriyama, for once, didn't use his "weak-looking guy turns out to be strong" trope and actually turned it on its head, but Monaka was literally the most useless character I think I've ever seen. Boo being out already served as a handicap and Vegeta and Goku are the last people who need any sort of motivation to keep training. Plus, Beerus and Whis already fill the "strong guy you should aspire to" position that Monaka was supposed to fill, so what the fuck?
His inclusion is particularly stupid since nobody brings up the supposed strongest guy in the universe besides Beerus and Whis when they need to recruit people. Or are we meant to infer that everyone realized Monaka was a load of BS and they told Goku all off screen?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:I hate you both so much for reminding me of that crap.
I liked the fact that Toriyama, for once, didn't use his "weak-looking guy turns out to be strong" trope and actually turned it on its head, but Monaka was literally the most useless character I think I've ever seen. Boo being out already served as a handicap and Vegeta and Goku are the last people who need any sort of motivation to keep training. Plus, Beerus and Whis already fill the "strong guy you should aspire to" position that Monaka was supposed to fill, so what the fuck?
His inclusion is particularly stupid since nobody brings up the supposed strongest guy in the universe besides Beerus and Whis when they need to recruit people. Or are we meant to infer that everyone realized Monaka was a load of BS and they told Goku all off screen?
Didn't Goku ask and Beerus said he was sick or busy or some bullshit?
Doctor. wrote:
I liked the fact that Toriyama, for once, didn't use his "weak-looking guy turns out to be strong" trope and actually turned it on its head, but Monaka was literally the most useless character I think I've ever seen. Boo being out already served as a handicap and Vegeta and Goku are the last people who need any sort of motivation to keep training. Plus, Beerus and Whis already fill the "strong guy you should aspire to" position that Monaka was supposed to fill, so what the fuck?
His inclusion is particularly stupid since nobody brings up the supposed strongest guy in the universe besides Beerus and Whis when they need to recruit people. Or are we meant to infer that everyone realized Monaka was a load of BS and they told Goku all off screen?
Didn't Goku ask and Beerus said he was sick or busy or some bullshit?
Maybe the manga had something like that but I know the anime doesn't address it at all.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:
His inclusion is particularly stupid since nobody brings up the supposed strongest guy in the universe besides Beerus and Whis when they need to recruit people. Or are we meant to infer that everyone realized Monaka was a load of BS and they told Goku all off screen?
Didn't Goku ask and Beerus said he was sick or busy or some bullshit?
Maybe the manga had something like that but I know the anime doesn't address it at all.
Well shit, now I gotta live with being wrong and Monaka being a thing people remember in-universe.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
) so it would make 0 sense to remove them from "canon".
