Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:20 pm

I wouldn't mind another transformation later, but not for a long time. I'd rather him develop new attacks and techniques for now, I want to see the writers get creative

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Kanious » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:42 pm

I think that they should stick with the transformations we have for now. But after some YEARS [if DBS continue, i hope] it would be cool to see new things.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by GhoulEto » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:52 pm

What are you talking about? DB has always been transformations on all sides, Goku is a Pokemon, I want to see 10 more transformations if possible, the Saiyajins have infinite potential and every time they increase their power is represented in transformations I do not see anything of bad, missing a change of hair color to a white or silver, can add a tail too

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by MR.Mark » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:24 pm

Unless Toriyama comes up with a damn good reason to justify more, i'd rather no more. I hope this UI ties into eoz in some way.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Saturnine » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:43 pm

If there is such a thirst for new transformations, why not give them to other characters than just Goku and Vegeta? Hell, Piccolo could totes use a Super Namekian God form!

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:00 pm

The Ultra Instinct certainly feels like a final form to me.

It's the culmination of everything that Goku is about: striving to be better than he is and breaking past his limits. It brings back the martial arts discipline and skill that went missing in his bid for more power in a big way, and is something that even gods fail to master.

It just seems to be the narrative end goal, a state in which Goku has no more limits, only his own ability to master this state of being in all of its facets.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:20 pm

Super Saiyan should have been his final transformation. But since Toriyama didn't stop there, then Super Saiyan 3 was fine as his final transformation. But then the series was revived, and Goku obtained SSG and, in an interview, Toriyama said he absorbed the power and wouldn't use 2 or 3 anymore. So I thought it'd be a return to the way things should be and he'd have SS as his only form. But then SSB came around, and the concept was fine enough, it was just SSG + SS, so hopefully this time I thought it'd be his last form. But then UI came around and now I'm just begging to the merciful lord of whoever the fuck is up there in the clouds that this is Goku's last form.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:43 am

UI seems more like a skill but the eye changes colour so who knows, maybe that's just cosmetic, the same way Kaioken gives Goku reddish hair..

Yes, it should he the last thing they get, it's great, he almost looks to be base, no fancy aura ( hopefully ) and thus no wasted movements or energy..
Paired with Gokus eoz gi which screams grand priest color combination, I am sure Goku will get stronger training with GP to master UI completely..
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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by GigaDrill » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:58 am

Doctor. wrote:Super Saiyan should have been his final transformation. But since Toriyama didn't stop there, then Super Saiyan 3 was fine as his final transformation. But then the series was revived, and Goku obtained SSG and, in an interview, Toriyama said he absorbed the power and wouldn't use 2 or 3 anymore. So I thought it'd be a return to the way things should be and he'd have SS as his only form. But then SSB came around, and the concept was fine enough, it was just SSG + SS, so hopefully this time I thought it'd be his last form. But then UI came around and now I'm just begging to the merciful lord of whoever the fuck is up there in the clouds that this is Goku's last form.
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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:14 am

Yes!!!!

Definitely!

However... IF there is to be another transformation beyond UI for Goku, than i would only want it to happen to Goku near the very end of Super where he would gain something similair to the Omni-King’s power, where he can bust entire Multiverses by just snapping his hands or something along those lines. It would be an “Omni Powered Super Saiyan God Form.” But until then, hell no! UI has so much potential and ability by itself, it would be a shame to just throw it away for another “mere powerup”. It would be wasted potential if they did that.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Asura » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:11 pm

I don't really see where you go from here. It's a form that dodges every single attack. How can a new transformation top that?

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:19 pm

Asura wrote:I don't really see where you go from here. It's a form that dodges every single attack. How can a new transformation top that?
One that makes you instantly win.

Goku becomes Exodia.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Cetra » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Asura wrote:I don't really see where you go from here. It's a form that dodges every single attack. How can a new transformation top that?
One that makes you instantly win.

Goku becomes Exodia.
Goku has this one already. When he loses his shirt, someone is going to die.
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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Asura » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:30 pm

Cetra wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Asura wrote:I don't really see where you go from here. It's a form that dodges every single attack. How can a new transformation top that?
One that makes you instantly win.

Goku becomes Exodia.
Goku has this one already. When he loses his shirt, someone is going to die.
Truly the rarest "transformation" that Goku has. The last time we saw him fighting without his shirt on was 26 years ago in 1991 against Freeza. The Grand Priests's eyes might explode if Goku takes his shirt off due to the sheer muscle definition combined with Ultra Instinct.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by julianix » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:53 pm

Ultra instinct has a progressive system written all over it. It's 100% not gokus last transformation you can bet the bank, the farm, the kids...everything.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by TBMx » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:00 pm

Of course not. He's yet to combine UI with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and Kaioken.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Lord Frieza » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:07 pm

No. Ever since Goku went SS on Namek you think there cannot be anything to top this and every time there is.

We're at the stage were Goku's got a God form and an even more powerful God Form yet he's now got an even greater power up. Unless they someday feel confident to tell the story beyond Goku's time one way or another with every new and more powerful threat Goku will eventually need a new power up.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Elvis143BRA » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:47 pm

It's time they retired Goku already. They tried that in Z but they should have done that in Super.

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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:52 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:No. Ever since Goku went SS on Namek you think there cannot be anything to top this and every time there is.

We're at the stage were Goku's got a God form and an even more powerful God Form yet he's now got an even greater power up. Unless they someday feel confident to tell the story beyond Goku's time one way or another with every new and more powerful threat Goku will eventually need a new power up.
Sad but true, quite true indeed..
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Re: Do you think UI should be the final transformation for Goku?

Post by sintzu » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:59 pm

Elvis143BRA wrote:It's time they retired Goku already. They tried that in Z but they should have done that in Super.
Goku is DB. If Goku goes then DB goes with him. Everyone (or most of us) watches and reads DB for Goku. Sure we have our favorite characters that aren't Goku but at the end of the day he's the heart and soul of the franchise and is the only one who can be the main character, despite not being everyone's #1.

If you're going to take him out of the picture then you might as well just start a new story cause if he goes then all his friends go with him and it's not even the same franchise anymore apart from its name.
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