I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
GamerSkull wrote:I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
Vegeta's power-ups seem to be given to him just so that he stays in the same tier as Goku... which I think should stop at this point as I find it a bit annoying.
.Gohan got ssb power in hours, it was dumb.GamerSkull wrote:I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
Vegeta's power-ups seem to be given to him just so that he stays in the same tier as Goku... which I think should stop at this point as I find it a bit annoying.
I feel the opposite. Let Vegeta be a strong and capable warrior... but don't tie his growth with Goku's anymore.Mercenary wrote:GamerSkull wrote:I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
Vegeta's power-ups seem to be given to him just so that he stays in the same tier as Goku... which I think should stop at this point as I find it a bit annoying.
Totally agree. Let Vegeta surpass Goku so he won't be in the same tier anymore
What was wrong with Goten in GT? As Xeogran mentioned, Goten was slacker at the EoZ too and wanted to go on a date instead of participating in the World's Martial Arts Tournament. GT didn't change that personality in any way, they just gave him a different design.MrBlackFox wrote:Xeogran wrote:GT characterized characters better than Super does these days. Disaster my ass, at least they acted human like and weren't all androids with infinite energy.MrBlackFox wrote:
GT did a disaster in the way it characterized other ones, aside maybe from Goku only
Just imagine a 17-frieza level treatment for teen Goten, Trunks, Pan and Uub
But for some people, 5 year old Pan turning SSJ3 would be hype and amazing because flashy things > personality.
Not so muchbut lol, Trunks is meh
Goten...uh...
Gohan passed from the series strongest being to be a piece of furniture
Pan is meh, not so bad but you'd expect much more from Gohan's daughter and Goku's niece
Uub goes from Buu reicarnation and Goku disciple to zero
Vegeta is a no one at least until Baby
Not exactly much better, imo
And I love GT, it's my childhood, but Goten and others treatment still gives me nightmares
Just watch what Super did to ToPGeta, 17, Frieza, even Gohan himself
I just meant the story aspect of him falling behind but realizing that he has the responsibility to try to keep up with his training because of his loved ones.Totamo wrote:Gohan got ssb power in hours, it was dumb.GamerSkull wrote:I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
Vegeta's power-ups seem to be given to him just so that he stays in the same tier as Goku... which I think should stop at this point as I find it a bit annoying.
Top Gohan was the best Gohan has been and been treated since the Cell games.Xeogran wrote:Only 17 and Freeza shine in this aspect. Vegeta is forced as heck to sell more merch, and Gohan was boring to watch, going out against a fodder trooper to boot.MrBlackFox wrote: Just watch what Super did to ToPGeta, 17, Frieza, even Gohan himself
EoZ, as I said, make them promise to Goku to continue their training in a more mature and serious way, Goku let them the Earth to protect while he trains Uub and they agreeTheDipDap1234 wrote:What was wrong with Goten in GT? As Xeogran mentioned, Goten was slacker at the EoZ too and wanted to go on a date instead of participating in the World's Martial Arts Tournament. GT didn't change that personality in any way, they just gave him a different design.MrBlackFox wrote:Xeogran wrote:
GT characterized characters better than Super does these days. Disaster my ass, at least they acted human like and weren't all androids with infinite energy.
But for some people, 5 year old Pan turning SSJ3 would be hype and amazing because flashy things > personality.
Not so much
Goten...uh...
Gohan passed from the series strongest being to be a piece of furniture
Pan is meh, not so bad but you'd expect much more from Gohan's daughter and Goku's niece
Uub goes from Buu reicarnation and Goku disciple to zero
Vegeta is a no one at least until Baby
Not exactly much better, imo
And I love GT, it's my childhood, but Goten and others treatment still gives me nightmares
Just watch what Super did to ToPGeta, 17, Frieza, even Gohan himself
But it makes sense. They are half human. Not saiyans.MrBlackFox wrote:EoZ, as I said, make them promise to Goku to continue their training in a more mature and serious way, Goku let them the Earth to protect while he trains Uub and they agreeTheDipDap1234 wrote:What was wrong with Goten in GT? As Xeogran mentioned, Goten was slacker at the EoZ too and wanted to go on a date instead of participating in the World's Martial Arts Tournament. GT didn't change that personality in any way, they just gave him a different design.MrBlackFox wrote:
Not so much
Goten...uh...
Gohan passed from the series strongest being to be a piece of furniture
Pan is meh, not so bad but you'd expect much more from Gohan's daughter and Goku's niece
Uub goes from Buu reicarnation and Goku disciple to zero
Vegeta is a no one at least until Baby
Not exactly much better, imo
And I love GT, it's my childhood, but Goten and others treatment still gives me nightmares
Just watch what Super did to ToPGeta, 17, Frieza, even Gohan himself
Then we find Goten and Trunks at the same ssj level, maybe even weaker than Buu arc ( not so sure of this tbh, they kill 19 with a ki blast after all) but i'd expect much more for them
Having Gohan, Goten and Trunks all dropping martial arts for studies, work or datings is a downfall
Dragon Ball Online plot, with the boys studying ki and fighting with swords is a million times better, we also had an hint of kikoukenjutsu with Future Trunks sword of light and some other of his sword techniques
lolKi Breaker wrote:The Cabba and promise is cheesy as hell and not in a good way, Vegeta saying all that stuff when looking like an angry barbie is reducing his points by the second..
I think you got it mixed up. "The "hardcore nutjobs" are the Goku and Vegeta fans who bitch if they're not in the spotlight 100% of the time.MajinVegetaPD wrote:I'm glad the series is being catered to the "filthy casuals".
If the hardcore nut jobs got what they wanted, Uub, Goten, Trunks, and Pan would be the main characters.
No thanks, had enough of those crappy characters during GT. I'll take the Goku and Vegeta show any day of the week.
Might as well add Gohan fans, they got mad when Goku got eliminated in episode 124 and not getting that so called "new form".Dbzfan94 wrote:I think you got it mixed up. "The "hardcore nutjobs" are the Goku and Vegeta fans who bitch if they're not in the spotlight 100% of the time.MajinVegetaPD wrote:I'm glad the series is being catered to the "filthy casuals".
If the hardcore nut jobs got what they wanted, Uub, Goten, Trunks, and Pan would be the main characters.
No thanks, had enough of those crappy characters during GT. I'll take the Goku and Vegeta show any day of the week.
Gohan fans are at least a step below Goku/Vegeta in terms of DBS. Gohan got nothing for 90 episodes of Super, then barely appeared in the tournament ecept for like 3 (big) moments. It's not too greedy to want a new form from him.perucho1990 wrote:
Might as well add Gohan fans, they got mad when Goku got eliminated in episode 124 and not getting that so called "new form".
Absolute rubbish. Gohan was only a slight step above Piccolo in his ToP treatment, which isn't very good. Most of his moments are of him being a mindless idiot or overall failure. Then he's eliminated in a pointless sacrifice.perucho1990 wrote:Vegeta barely did anything in the recruitment arc, and Gohan had as much as spotlight as Goku. Now in the ToP, Gohan had more involvment than Vegeta(until the last 2 episodes).
Yes, because HOW DARE we want anyone else to be relevant.MajinVegetaPD wrote:I'm glad the series is being catered to the "filthy casuals".
If the hardcore nut jobs got what they wanted, Uub, Goten, Trunks, and Pan would be the main characters.
No thanks, had enough of those crappy characters during GT. I'll take the Goku and Vegeta show any day of the week.
This feel a little too derisive. With the exception of one careless moment in 106, Gohan did fine. People expected more because of all the attention he got, but that attention wasn't supposed to be a sort of build-up towards something, the attention itself was the award. He had been sidelined for most of Super, but here he helped defeat two universes, got a fantastic character moment with Piccolo, showed that he can come up with strategies too and be absolutely brutal when pushed, took down the third most dangerous opponent from the most dangerous team. It's not earth-shattering like his SSJ2 transformation, it's not perfect, but it's good.TekTheNinja wrote:Absolute rubbish. Gohan was only a slight step above Piccolo in his ToP treatment, which isn't very good. Most of his moments are of him being a mindless idiot or overall failure. Then he's eliminated in a pointless sacrifice.perucho1990 wrote:Vegeta barely did anything in the recruitment arc, and Gohan had as much as spotlight as Goku. Now in the ToP, Gohan had more involvment than Vegeta(until the last 2 episodes).
You find it annoying that a guy who spends his entire life training (with the exception of right before Bullas birth) is in the same hemisphere as Goku? Gotcha.GamerSkull wrote:I did enjoy what they tried to do with Gohan though... although, I don't really think it amounted to what it could have.Totamo wrote:You know I noticed something in Super, whenever they try to make someone useful other than Goku, they make it happen in a stupid way.
Vegeta's power-ups seem to be given to him just so that he stays in the same tier as Goku... which I think should stop at this point as I find it a bit annoying.
