Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Hawk9211 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:19 pm

Bullza wrote:If it's as good as Super them it will be about as good as Z and better than both the original series and GT so of course I'd watch it.
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Post by Analytical Delusion » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:57 pm

I actually really enjoyed Super for the most part, so I'd be ecstatic if the next series is of similar quality. Following the anime and the manga as they come out has really been fun for me.

As I've said before though, the movie arcs were the weakest of the series. Not because the source material was bad, but because it was designed (in both cases) for two ~60 minute movies, which didn't translate well into sagas lasting over a dozen episodes each. Everything thereafter was pretty solid, and IMO better than a lot of the original material.

Gun to my head, the U6, Zamasu, and ToP arcs were better than pre-Piccolo DB and the Buu Saga in DBZ.

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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Hawk9211 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:30 am

Analytical Delusion wrote:I actually really enjoyed Super for the most part, so I'd be ecstatic if the next series is of similar quality. Following the anime and the manga as they come out has really been fun for me.

As I've said before though, the movie arcs were the weakest of the series. Not because the source material was bad, but because it was designed (in both cases) for two ~60 minute movies, which didn't translate well into sagas lasting over a dozen episodes each. Everything thereafter was pretty solid, and IMO better than a lot of the original material.

Gun to my head, the U6, Zamasu, and ToP arcs were better than pre-Piccolo DB and the Buu Saga in DBZ.
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Post by SSJ YUSUKE » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:44 am

I consider Super to be superior in writing and story to both the Buu and Cell arcs yet I still like those two. It gave us two of the best villans the series has seen in Zamasu and Black and and has utilised the cast far better than Z ever did. It has introduced strong female characters and gave us an ending to an arc, which while not happy was appropriate.
Supers world building has added so much to the Dragonball Universe and if anything I think I am more excited for any new series that will come out as there is so much to build on.

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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:13 am

Analytical Delusion wrote:I actually really enjoyed Super for the most part, so I'd be ecstatic if the next series is of similar quality. Following the anime and the manga as they come out has really been fun for me.

As I've said before though, the movie arcs were the weakest of the series. Not because the source material was bad, but because it was designed (in both cases) for two ~60 minute movies, which didn't translate well into sagas lasting over a dozen episodes each. Everything thereafter was pretty solid, and IMO better than a lot of the original material.

Gun to my head, the U6, Zamasu, and ToP arcs were better than pre-Piccolo DB and the Buu Saga in DBZ.
I actually really enjoyed the BoG retelling, it fixed some problems I had with the movie but added it's own set of problems in the process. I didn't like the U6 tournament much but I agree from Trunks arc onwards some of it is better than the original material imo from the Cell arc onwards.

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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Bullza » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:24 am

supersaiyanZero wrote:You keep parroting this and unfortunately it's not true. Anyone who has taken an intro writing class can see just how bad the decline has been. How can you compare an obviously broken production that is plagued by a horrific schedule, inconsistent writing, and what looks like a lack of any coordination between the original author of the manga and Toei to a relatively much healthier production in Z? It's absurd and so is your comment.
Oh it's true alright, people just have their nostalgia goggles on when it comes to Z now.

Z was plagued by other things such as half of the show being filler, much of it being atrocious like the Fake Namek episodes, Bulma fighting the crab, Gohan befriending some orphans and what creates inconsistencies with later material.

If it isn't filler then it's padded out to no end, like Goku fighting Frieza for 20 episodes which just became plain boring, the constant staring, charging up attacks that take minutes on end, them standing around waiting for the dust to clear.

Characters got tossed aside, Launch was simply forgotten, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Tien became worthless after the Saiyans saga, Master Roshi did nothing, Krillin and Piccolo became useless by the Buu saga.

The animation was not as good, it was better than Super at one point, it's more consistently drawn but the show rarely had the animation highs of Super.

Super is better paced. It's fights actually resemble fights rather the constant red light, green light for battles of Z. It has brought back many characters, the opposite of Z such as Pilaf, Frieza, Supreme Kai, Android 17 and Trunks. Other characters like Master Roshi, Piccolo, Krillin and Tien have been the most relevant in terms of battles for decades.

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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Avenant » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:02 am

Super's overall quality is a matter of personal opinion, so for me I will definitely be watching whatever comes next. I have been very happy with Super to date.
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Post by TekTheNinja » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:52 am

As others have said, it's Dragon Ball so I've basically gotta watch it. Doesn't mean I won't complain though.

Basically, exactly what I do with Super. If the new series is the same shit then I'll react in the same way.

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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:19 pm

Then I'll stop watching. I have no obligation watching everything Dragon Ball related just because I'm a fan of the franchise.

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Post by Kanious » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:11 pm

I personally don't think we'll have another Dragon Ball series in the near future. There is no evidence of this. If it happens, i will love and watch, as i have been a fanboy of this franchise for the last 22 years, even if the quality doesn't improve, but i have zero expectations of Dragon Ball having a new anime (and i'm still pissed off about the end of Super that will come soon)

Anyway, i would like the animation to be a little more consistent. and also it would be cool to see muscles, bruises and BLOOD. Probably it will not ever happen, as the series would be rated probably +17 and Dragon Ball is for kids.

If i endured the movies retellings that Super did, with the shitty art and animation... i would endure a low-quality new series of Dragon Ball and check it out.

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:39 pm

If that means getting the overall same quality SUPER currently has (4/5) them I'll happily watch it.
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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by BrolyKale » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Depends, if its like GT I don't think I will watch it... if there are the characters I like then I will probably watch it, I never watched the beginning of DBS because it was hella boring and nothing was really happening, I even skipped Black's arc so i dunno, I started watching dbs because of Kale who looked like Broly and i enjoyed the new characters in the TOP.
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Post by Timetraveller » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:35 am

SSJ YUSUKE wrote:I consider Super to be superior in writing and story to both the Buu and Cell arcs yet I still like those two. It gave us two of the best villans the series has seen in Zamasu and Black and and has utilised the cast far better than Z ever did. It has introduced strong female characters and gave us an ending to an arc, which while not happy was appropriate.
Supers world building has added so much to the Dragonball Universe and if anything I think I am more excited for any new series that will come out as there is so much to build on.
You think the writing of Super is better than the Buu and Cell arcs? You can't be serious. Maybe the filler episodes but then there was the Poteufu arc which was just bad

Arc 1) Weak plot. Beerus comes out of nowhere and fights Goku. Goku gets a red form

Arc 2) Freeza wants revenge on Goku. Gets a gold form

Arc 3) Tournmanent with no plot. A bunch of gag fights

Arc 4) Comparable to a Z arc. Lots of build up towards the final villain. Let down by the bad writing at the end.

Arc 5) Another tournament. Main antagonist stands on a rock with his arms folded for most of the tournament. 30 episodes of straight up fighting with mostly gag fighters. U6 saiyans transform because back tingles and one is a Broly rip off. Master Roshi who had a power level of 185 overpowers the strongest fighters of other universes and blatantly breaks rules. Zeno lets it slide just because

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Post by SuperCyan2 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:39 am

Just because Super sucked as a Dragon Ball series it doesn't mean the next will be the same. If we're lucky, Toei will actually put some effort into it next time.
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Post by Ajay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:46 am

I'd still watch it - it's Dragon Ball, after all. I think it'd become much like Super is for me now, though: a job, a thing to analyse, not to enjoy.

I've never been so disillusioned with Super as I am right now. If and when it comes back, I seriously hope they remember what Dragon Ball actually is, and never drop back into this WWE-tier episodic nonsense ever again.
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Re: Will you watch the next Dragonball series if the quality doesn't improve from Super?

Post by sintzu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:57 am

Of course as it'll still be part of my favorite franchise but that doesn't mean I won't call it on its nonsense (Unless said nonsense makes Vegeta look good 8)).
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Post by Michsi » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:10 am

I'll give anything DB related a chance, but I have to say, I'm not the sort to stick around until the end no matter what. If I'm not enjoying it, then I'll either drop it or gradually lose interest until I forget to even keep up with it.

I'm sorry to say that a good portion of Super was a chore to watch, but I didn't want to just jump right into the TOP arc. Honestly, I hope Toei fixes their scheduling problems, but it's been going on long before Super started and I imagine it won't get fixed anytime soon.
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Post by TheZFighter » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:23 am

I'm a lifelong Dragon Ball fan, I'll always be interested.
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Post by majinwarman » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:42 pm

Ajay wrote:I'd still watch it - it's Dragon Ball, after all. I think it'd become much like Super is for me now, though: a job, a thing to analyse, not to enjoy.

I've never been so disillusioned with Super as I am right now. If and when it comes back, I seriously hope they remember what Dragon Ball actually is, and never drop back into this WWE-tier episodic nonsense ever again.
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Post by JazzMazz » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:47 am

majinwarman wrote:
Ajay wrote:I'd still watch it - it's Dragon Ball, after all. I think it'd become much like Super is for me now, though: a job, a thing to analyse, not to enjoy.

I've never been so disillusioned with Super as I am right now. If and when it comes back, I seriously hope they remember what Dragon Ball actually is, and never drop back into this WWE-tier episodic nonsense ever again.
Do you have the same complaints about the TOP as in the other tournament arcs in Dragon Ball?
I think I'll answer that for you. No.

The other tournaments had some basic format and purpose to them and weren't episodic nonsense. There was a sense of flow to the narrative, they actually felt it was going somewhere. That's something I can't say about the TOP.

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