"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Alruneia]

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Did Zamasu punched Vegeta till he lose some teeth?

Yes, Zamas breaks some of Vegeta's teeth. Nothing a Senzu bean can't fix.

Looks like it, but that phrase is not in viz translation

Well, that's because he posted an /a/ edit.

[jeffbr92]

Yes, Zamas breaks some of Vegeta's teeth. Nothing a Senzu bean can't fix.

Omg, I would like to see that in the anime, probably a long time since the last we saw a main character losing teeth in battle

[TKA]

In the manga, form what i could tell 17 was holding back vs ssj3 Goku,

What? No. That's the exact opposite of what happened. 17 was fighting seriously and Goku was just trying to explain and not fighting back.

I would prefer if base Kefla > SS3 Goku, SS/2 Kefla <= SSG Goku, and SS3 <= SSB Goku (but make the fusion run out faster.)

Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Kale and Caulifla. Goku thought not even Vegito would be a match for Beerus. Goku then turned Super Saiyan God and was a match for Beerus. SSG > Vegito, which means SSG is much beyond what Kefla logically should be capable of. I expect the manga to represent this well, as it has maintained its internal consistency.

[Dragon Wukong]

I would prefer if base Kefla > SS3 Goku, SS/2 Kefla <= SSG Goku, and SS3 <= SSB Goku (but make the fusion run out faster.)

Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Kale and Caulifla. Goku thought not even Vegito would be a match for Beerus. Goku then turned Super Saiyan God and was a match for Beerus. SSG > Vegito, which means SSG is much beyond what Kefla logically should be capable of. I expect the manga to represent this well, as it has maintained its internal consistency.

I'm taking into account the fact that Kale has that weird Broly-esque power (and indeed, is seemingly faster than Cabba in Super Saiyan while base in the manga). Granted, I want said Berserker power to weaker in the manga as well.

I don't mind Kefla being stronger than anything Vegito could potentially reach in BoG, I just felt like the anime took it WAY too far in regards to base Kefla outdoing SSG, and SS2 Kefla being on Ultra Instinct's tier. I'd be willing to accept an SS3 Kefla being around the same tier as SSB Goku. She'd still be weaker than Beerus then at least.

Making an LSS3 fusion Blue-tier is a fine way to give Goku a decent fight during the tournament without making someone needlessly and unexplainably overpowered.

[Whatever]

In the manga, form what i could tell 17 was holding back vs ssj3 Goku,

What? No. That's the exact opposite of what happened. 17 was fighting seriously and Goku was just trying to explain and not fighting back.

I would prefer if base Kefla > SS3 Goku, SS/2 Kefla <= SSG Goku, and SS3 <= SSB Goku (but make the fusion run out faster.)

Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Kale and Caulifla. Goku thought not even Vegito would be a match for Beerus. Goku then turned Super Saiyan God and was a match for Beerus. SSG > Vegito, which means SSG is much beyond what Kefla logically should be capable of. I expect the manga to represent this well, as it has maintained its internal consistency.

Your comparisson is not valid though,SSG> what if BOG Vegito,keep in mind this what if Vegito is made up from BOG Goku and Vegeta whose base form is weaker than Namek Freeza.

[TKA]

Your comparisson is not valid though,SSG> what if BOG Vegito,keep in mind this what if Vegito is made up from BOG Goku and Vegeta whose base form is weaker than Namek Freeza.

What I said makes perfect sense. Unless you think Kale and Caulifla, who know nothing about Super Saiyan, don't have the training Goku and Vegeta have and are portrayed as completely inexperienced are also stronger than both of them.

Kale and Caulifla, logically, shouldn't be any stronger than Cell. Recall that in the manga, Piccolo who is around that level, gave Frost a much better fight than in the anime where he was completely outmatched.

Goku, who was so strong that training stopped giving him gains is at the peak of Saiyan ability in BoG. That Goku realized that not even Vegito would be a match for Beerus. God ki is what pushed him and Vegeta even further beyond their limits; God ki is something neither Kale nor Kalifla possess.

[TobyS]

When's the next chapter? Do you think it will end with the tournament starting or do you think we will see the first fight/s?

[prince212]

When's the next chapter? Do you think it will end with the tournament starting or do you think we will see the first fight/s?

I think there’s two different options, introduce remaining fighters names recap before the start of the tournament like Toyo did with the gods or introduce them at the same time they are fighting , I rather this last one so they fights will start in the next chapter , in two weeks we’ll see

[Whatever]

What I said makes perfect sense. Unless you think Kale and Caulifla, who know nothing about Super Saiyan, don't have the training Goku and Vegeta have and are portrayed as completely inexperienced are also stronger than both of them.

No it does not,start of BOG base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than Namek Freeza.
As far as the anime goes base Goku and Vegeta>ssj3 Gotenks and base Cabba is equal to this base Vegeta from Champa,then Vegeta and Cabba trained and during the recruitment period the saiyan girls base was stronger than Cabba.
Therefore your comparisson makes no sense considering how much stronger the girls were at the top than Goku and Vegeta at the start of BOG(excluding rage ssj2 Vegeta and ssjg Goku).

Kale and Caulifla, logically, shouldn't be any stronger than Cell. Recall that in the manga, Piccolo who is around that level, gave Frost a much better fight than in the anime where he was completely outmatched.

Where did you get that Frost or Piccolo at the Champa arc are at Cell level?
As far as the manga goes(since we don't know how rof went there) in the Champa arc the humans had trouble keeping track of 1st form Frost vs holding back base Goku,while Krillin and Tien could keep track of ssj Goku and Cell during the Cell games.
So holding back Champa arc base Goku>Cell games ssj Goku.Then Goku goes full power in base and fights on equal ground with Assault form Frost,then ssj1 Goku fights final form Frost,wrecks him but does not 1 shot him and Piccolo could hold his own against him.

So in the manga its pretty clear that ssj1Goku>Final Form Frost>Piccolo>Assault Form Frost>=full power base Goku>1st form Frost=holding back base Goku>ssj1 Cell games Goku.

Goku, who was so strong that training stopped giving him gains is at the peak of Saiyan ability in BoG. That Goku realized that not even Vegito would be a match for Beerus. God ki is what pushed him and Vegeta even further beyond their limits; God ki is something neither Kale nor Kalifla possess.

This is not the first time Goku said that,he said that same in the Cell saga and yet he kept gaining.
Also God ki has nothing to do with gains or power,after all God ki does not make you automatically strong,non God ki beings such as Freeza have surprassed being with God ki before.

[STH]

What I said makes perfect sense. Unless you think Kale and Caulifla, who know nothing about Super Saiyan, don't have the training Goku and Vegeta have and are portrayed as completely inexperienced are also stronger than both of them.

No it does not,start of BOG base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than Namek Freeza.
As far as the anime goes base Goku and Vegeta>ssj3 Gotenks and base Cabba is equal to this base Vegeta from

Not base. Beyond God.
Goku and Vegeta's base forms are always weaker than Namek Freeza.
Do you really think three saiyan kids of universe 6 are stronger than Ssj3 Gotenks? Sorry but this is not logical.

[TKA]

Where did you get that Frost or Piccolo at the Champa arc are at Cell level?

Piccolo never goes beyond that tier in the original manga. He's never stated to be out of that tier in either the original manga or Super manga, nor is he shown getting stronger. Then, we see Super Saiyan Goku is more than a match for Frost at his full power, and then Piccolo is a more or less even match for Frost. In the manga, that's their tiers.

[Whatever]

Where did you get that Frost or Piccolo at the Champa arc are at Cell level?

Piccolo never goes beyond that tier in the original manga. He's never stated to be out of that tier in either the original manga or Super manga, nor is he shown getting stronger. Then, we see Super Saiyan Goku is more than a match for Frost at his full power, and then Piccolo is a more or less even match for Frost. In the manga, that's their tiers.

In the original manga yes,in the super manga again the humans had trouble keeping track of 1st form Frost vs holding back base Goku,while Krillin and Tien could keep track of ssj Goku and Cell during the Cell games.
That alone is proof and both base Goku,Piccolo and Frost are way beyond Cell level,unless you decide to ignore that for some reason.
Piccolo trains and being stronger than Cell does not warrant any notable mention considering how both cell and buu saga tiers villains are fodder at this point,so its not much of an accomplishment.
Unless for some reason you think Goku is barely stronger than his buu counterpart your logic does not match and even in that case Krillin and Tien example contradict your statement of them being only Cell tier.

[Lionel]

Not sure how much stock you're willing to put into the scene but the first chapter of Super had Goku undergoing some image training where he fought and beat Freeza and Cell in the span of a few attacks as just a regular Super Saiyan. You could argue whether Cell had his zenkai strength or not. I personally think he may have as Goku was looking to fight Kid Buu next before the training was cut short. I think the indication here, if it's to be believed, is that SSJ Goku has surpassed his Buu arc SSJ3 self now.

In the U6 tournament, Goku and Vegeta both had a clear advantage over Frost in his final form, but it wasn't completely one-sided like how some fights are depicted. It looked more like the Tao and Goku fight than, say, Nappa vs the Z-fighters. Piccolo was holding himself together impressively against Frost. So from what I gather of that scene it sounds like Piccolo was closer to the Super Saiyans than he was to base. Who knows how much the Saiyans improved their states by over the span of two arcs. If the image training is an accurate depiction then they're minimally SSJ3 tier from the Buu arc now. Could we make the leap to say that Piccolo is SSJ3 tier as well?

[prince212]

About previous post ... there’s a thread about strength power levels
Feels weird open this thread and find something that with lo respects I don’t care

[eledoremassis02]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol

[prince212]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol

i rather think that finally they consider that a nonsense fact of censorship, but knowing the hardwork that viz does , yes they forgot and I’m happy with that

[perucho1990]

Next week we should get another manga chapter(or at least leaks), the ToP could easily be fixed, if Toyo starts the ToP something like:

U7 vs U9(Like in the anime with the difference that Goku and Vegeta wont solo them ,instead they only get to fight Trio de Dangers while rest takes care of the U9 remainings)

U6 vs U11

U2 vs U10

U4 vs U3.

[TobyS]

Realistically how long does the manga have until the next installment of animated Dragonball (excluding that saiyan history movie.)

How long do you think it has months wise?
How many months do you think it'd take to catch up or overtake?

[prince212]

Realistically how long does the manga have until the next installment of animated Dragonball (excluding that saiyan history movie.)

How long do you think it has months wise?
How many months do you think it'd take to catch up or overtake?

My bet is December to finish the tournament, overtaking is up to the way the anime will be ending , I'm starting to think that they are done with super

[OLKv3]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol
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What does censored Popo look like?