Yamcha: Is he under-rated also

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:00 am

Of course he's underrated. All the humans fade into the background as DBZ goes on, with the exception of Kuririn, who even then still doesn't play as big a role in the Buu Saga as he did in the others. That's one of the reasons I like the early sagas a lot better. It has what I refer to as "the old gang" from Dragonball days.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:25 am

I think it's because of the dub that Yamcha became so hated. In the Trunks saga, dub Yamcha was only saying stupid things (like the cat food song) and was acting like a coward (maybe we should all go?!) while in the japanese he wasn't that cowardly at all.

When I was a dub-only girl I also hated Yamcha with a passion. Because I thought he was this big coward and he was so easy to bash with Vegeta as his love rival. Anyway, I gained my respect back for Yamcha when I saw the japanese version.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:03 am

Yamcha doesn't get enough love. He only ended up being a punching bag so often due to the fact that he was the Vegeta before Vegeta. His method of attack was just like the Sajins. "Let's go rush in without a plan of attack and kill some shit!" Thus he got his ass kicked (like Vegeta) time and time again. But I love him and he's awesome and has a cool fan comic that hasn't updated in a millennium.

Orochi_Rockman · Post by **Orochi_Rockman** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:04 am

Bura wrote:I think it's because of the dub that Yamcha became so hated. In the Trunks saga, dub Yamcha was only saying stupid things (like the cat food song) and was acting like a coward (maybe we should all go?!) while in the japanese he wasn't that cowardly at all.

When I was a dub-only girl I also hated Yamcha with a passion. Because I thought he was this big coward and he was so easy to bash with Vegeta as his love rival. Anyway, I gained my respect back for Yamcha when I saw the japanese version.

This is very true. When my boyfriend started watching Dragon Ball Z from episode 1 with me he didn't want it in Japanese at first and he absolutely HATED Yamcha. Then I started keeping it in English and turning on the Subtitles just so he could see that there is quite a difference. It took about 10 minutes of this to make him a Japanese Language ONLY fan.

He's next statement was "Wow....I guess Yamcha's not really that bad after all, why is he such a douche in the English version?"

sailorspazz · Post by **sailorspazz** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:25 am

Hatred is the natural defense mechanism of fangirls. Any character who poses any sort of threat to their chosen pairing (you may hear terms like OTP thrown around, don't try to understand them), is a murderer and a rapist and a horrible human being with no redeeming qualities! Rawr! (This is especially common concerning non-canon yaoi pairings where the fangirl feels the need to justify her man-on-man action by making the canon significant other of one or both of the characters a raging bitch).

So, yeah, perhaps Yamcha has gotten such a bad rap partly because of rabid VegeBul fangirls. While there are other characters like Tenshinhan that fade into the background, Yamcha both fades into the background AND is seen as a possible threat to many a rabid fangirls' favorite couple.

Personally, even though I love the Vegeta/Bulma pairing, I don't hate Yamcha. Actually, I quite like him. I'm trying to write a Vegeta/Bulma fanfic where he isn't portrayed in such a negative light (though he still has some fault because of his cheating, he's really just a guy who made some mistakes). He doesn't deserve the vilification he usually receives in such stories.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:55 am

I've never understood all this highlighting of the love between people in Dragonball. Dragonball is mainly fighting.
And I despise fanfictions. I see no use of them.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:23 am

Godo wrote: And I despise fanfictions. I see no use of them.

I totally agree, why steal someone else's character to write your story? Especially when you decide to throw them all out of character and have Vegeta confessing his undying love while singing opera from the roof tops to Bulma.Bull honkey I say...BULL HONKEY!

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:59 am

There are still some good fanfiction writers out there, they are just hard to find through all the crap that there is on top of their stuff.

I'd like to think mine aren't all that bad - now anyway.

Contra Deus · Post by **Contra Deus** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:07 pm

There's nothing wrong with fanfiction. Provided it's written well, of course, and there is a whole lot of crap out there.

But it can be a useful form of practice for aspiring writers, and it can be interesting to read them when they're in-character and creative.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:10 pm

About Vegeta/Bulma: As seen Bulma likes strong and hadsome men and I can safely say that she wouldn't mind sleeping with some of them even though she didn't know them that well...
She was alone, Vegeta was horny, they had sex. Nothing more about it.
Then, after the Cell games, they eventually bonded, and their love grew. Still, going with Vegeta's personality, he was a bit inwards with his feelings.
No need to write a fanfiction about that. We have it clear here.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:30 pm

Exactly - FanFiction isn't only good based on the talents of the author (though that is a huge part of it), it's the quality of the tale as well. There have been far too many Vegeta/Bulma fics, and if I ever had the urge to do one with 'my own spin on the story', I'd beat myself until I came out of it. The closest you'd ever see from me like that were if I were writing a story that took place in the same timeframe they hooked up in, THEN there may be mention of it, but it wouldn't be the sole purpose of the story.

I'm guilty of 'my own spin' stories too though. Got a Bardock 'What He Does After Death' one I've been working on.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:38 pm

Theres nothing wrong with fanfiction, and theres no reason to despise it. It just shows how much some people love the show, and it gives them a chance to see their favorite characters in situations that were only touched upon (or maybe never happened). Personally, i wish the Vegeta/Bulma relationship had been explored more by Toriyama.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:48 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:Theres nothing wrong with fanfiction, and theres no reason to despise it. It just shows how much some people love the show, and it gives them a chance to see their favorite characters in situations that were only touched upon (or maybe never happened). Personally, i wish the Vegeta/Bulma relationship had been explored more by Toriyama.

If he was making comics for Shojo beat that would be an incredible idea! But 8 year olds eating there Hershey bars and listening to heavy metal want to see violence. As Godo said there isn’t even anything to touch upon. Vegeta was feeling horny fucked Bulma and eventually started to actually like her and the kid instead of just being stuck with them. This isn’t Inuyasha where the violent guy is nothing but a big softie longing for his sweetheart to make him a good guy.

If you want to write, make up your own characters and settings and stop stealing other peoples. That's my view as far as fanfiction goes.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:33 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:Theres nothing wrong with fanfiction, and theres no reason to despise it. It just shows how much some people love the show, and it gives them a chance to see their favorite characters in situations that were only touched upon (or maybe never happened). Personally, i wish the Vegeta/Bulma relationship had been explored more by Toriyama.
If he was making comics for Shojo beat that would be an incredible idea! But 8 year olds eating there Hershey bars and listening to heavy metal want to see violence. As Godo said there isn’t even anything to touch upon. Vegeta was feeling horny fucked Bulma and eventually started to actually like her and the kid instead of just being stuck with them. This isn’t Inuyasha where the violent guy is nothing but a big softie longing for his sweetheart to make him a good guy.

If you want to write, make up your own characters and settings and stop stealing other peoples. That's my view as far as fanfiction goes.

Good words there. I would have put it exactly like that.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:51 pm

Well, we never actually see what happens between Vegeta and Bulma that leads up to them having Trunks. For you to say they just fucked is not a fact, its your opinion, and your entitled to it. And peoples fanfictions of what may have occured is also there opinions or just something fun to do , and they're entitled to it also. Besides, if fanfictions don't cater for your interest, then don't read them. But theres no need to diss them.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:36 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:Well, we never actually see what happens between Vegeta and Bulma that leads up to them having Trunks. For you to say they just fucked is not a fact, its your opinion, and your entitled to it. And peoples fanfictions of what may have occured is also there opinions or just something fun to do , and they're entitled to it also. Besides, if fanfictions don't cater for your interest, then don't read them. But theres no need to diss them.

Fanfiction writer, huh?

Nah, I'm j/k. Personally, I've seen a lot of shitty fanfics, but there's also some really good ones out there too, you just have to find them.

Contra Deus · Post by **Contra Deus** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:50 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:If you want to write, make up your own characters and settings and stop stealing other peoples. That's my view as far as fanfiction goes.

Or, you can simply not read it if you don't like it.

Fanfiction is not "stealing." It is simply the work of dedicated fans that enjoy experimenting with the characters and concepts of movies, shows, ect. that they like. There is no profit made from it and fanfiction authors always credit the creators and authors of the works their fanfictions are about. Many popular franchises such as Star Trek and Star Wars have original tie-in novels that are essentially fanfiction published in book form.

Seriously, lighten up.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:01 pm

Actually Godo didn't say that I did, you fanfic writers have bested me yet again! Good job you have persuaded me into no longer hating fan fictions. Who would have known a few forum posters could change human opinion!? Thank you all for showing me the light.
So about Yamcha... I always thought his Wolf Fang Fist was the best physical attack in the show.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:11 pm

sorry, accidental double post

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:13 pm

Fanfiction writer, huh? Nah, I'm j/k. Personally, I've seen a lot of shitty fanfics, but there's also some really good ones out there too, you just have to find them.

I've never written a fanfic, I wish I was talented enough to be a good fanfiction writer

And your right, there are some crappy fanfic out there.I just dont like to see people and their work being needlessly disrepected.

And even if only one persons negative opinion of fanfiction writers is reversed here today, I can log off this site in the comfort of knowing that