Funny thing about Cell.

[ABED]

Alright then. I'm wrong, his arc will never end, he'll keep coming back. In that case, he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

I can't speak to the other characters you mentioned though I heard interesting things about Zamasu. I'm still not eager to watch Super, though. I got enough DB that another series doesn't interest me. I'll see the movies because that's not a huge time investment. The idea of the origins of the Saiyans doesn't interest me in the slightest. If the fighting is good, the characters are enjoyable, and there's humor, then I'm good, but giving backstory I never wondered about and don't see the point in isn't grabbing my interest.

[Toxin45]

Alright then. I'm wrong, his arc will never end, he'll keep coming back. In that case, he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

No need to be cynical dude we still have the super movie that takes place after the tournament of power and features the origins of both Saiyans and Frieza. Did you read Neko Majin? It's a spin-off manga made by Toriyama that is post end of z and Frieza has a son named Kuriza so Frieza is still alive after that and would introduce Kuriza in the new movie.

[ABED]

Alright then. I'm wrong, his arc will never end, he'll keep coming back. In that case, he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

No need to be cynical dude we still have the super movie that takes place after the tournament of power and features the origins of both Saiyans and Frieza. Did you read Neko Majin? It's a spin-off manga made by Toriyama that is post end of z and Frieza has a son named Kuriza so Frieza is still alive after that and would introduce Kuriza in the new movie.

I'm not being cynical but one of the things I enjoyed about DB was the one off nature of the villains. Bring 'em in, make an impact, defeat them, then move on. The danger in bringing back villains again and again is they lack potency after a while. They lose their aura, if you will.

[Toxin45]

Alright then. I'm wrong, his arc will never end, he'll keep coming back. In that case, he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

No need to be cynical dude we still have the super movie that takes place after the tournament of power and features the origins of both Saiyans and Frieza. Did you read Neko Majin? It's a spin-off manga made by Toriyama that is post end of z and Frieza has a son named Kuriza so Frieza is still alive after that and would introduce Kuriza in the new movie.

I'm not being cynical but one of the things I enjoyed about DB was the one off nature of the villains. Bring 'em in, make an impact, defeat them, then move on. The danger in bringing back villains again and again is they lack potency after a while. They lose their aura, if you will.

Yeah so it doesn't matter anymore because like it or not Frieza is here to stay did you see how many commericals Frieza appeared in japan,Japan really loves Frieza and how they lose their aura? They can simply train and improve with character development just look at the tournament of power Frieza and at the end He is learning from his makes and what you just say is kinda getting old about one off villains. Just look at the video games dude and also Dragon Ball super does so up on saturdays on nights

[ABED]

Freeza was introduced as the biggest of big bads. So much so that the previous one (Vegeta) was his subordinate. Freeza was so far above him by many magnitudes. He's the head of an empire. Defeating Freeza took a whole hell of a lot and cost the heroes a lot (disregard the DB's). Once he was defeated, you can't put the tooth paste back in the tube. He's no longer the unbeatable emperor of the galaxy. That's fine if he doesn't continually come back.

Cell came in, made an impact, and was killed. His story had a beginning, middle, and end.

[Toxin45]

Freeza was introduced as the biggest of big bads. So much so that the previous one (Vegeta) was his subordinate. Freeza was so far above him by many magnitudes. He's the head of an empire. Defeating Freeza took a whole hell of a lot and cost the heroes a lot (disregard the DB's). Once he was defeated, you can't put the tooth paste back in the tube. He's no longer the unbeatable emperor of the galaxy. That's fine if he doesn't continually come back.

Cell came in, made an impact, and was killed. His story had a beginning, middle, and end.

Nah Frieza came back twice in super and toriyama will never be rid of him besides we watched super on saturdays so basically Dragon Ball super is saturday night anime lol. In Japan Super is a sunday morining cartoon actually plus frieza can train now and so continues to do so while being focused on reviving his empire. Even the one-off villains was kinda getting old. At this point now Frieza is the recurring villain of the franchise for better or worse the franchise can no longer get rid of him now. Losing their aura is kinda weird exscuse.

[ABED]

I think you are taking my statement about Saturday morning cartoons a tad too on the nose. I'm referring to the type of villain that constantly loses but keeps coming back no matter how often they lose. Defeating them loses its value because we've seen it so many times.

Losing their aura isn't an excuse.

And there isn't any reason the story can't lose Freeza. It went without him for years and did just fine.

[Toxin45]

I think you are taking my statement about Saturday morning cartoons a tad too on the nose. I'm referring to the type of villain that constantly loses but keeps coming back no matter how often they lose. Defeating them loses its value because we've seen it so many times.

Losing their aura isn't an excuse.

And there isn't any reason the story can't lose Freeza. It went without him for years and did just fine.

That was years ago and Now they changed what you said they resurrected him twice in modern times so no killing again would be pretty stupid and won't go back to the old ways like you wanted Frieza is now here to stay from now on. Also Frieza returns in the next film after Resurection F you in the super movie alive again.

[Toxin45]

Alright then. I'm wrong, his arc will never end, he'll keep coming back. In that case, he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

I can't speak to the other characters you mentioned though I heard interesting things about Zamasu. I'm still not eager to watch Super, though. I got enough DB that another series doesn't interest me. I'll see the movies because that's not a huge time investment. The idea of the origins of the Saiyans doesn't interest me in the slightest. If the fighting is good, the characters are enjoyable, and there's humor, then I'm good, but giving backstory I never wondered about and don't see the point in isn't grabbing my interest.

Of course there is this film that feature frieza in some way and this is after the tournament of power so gonna be seeing frieza again in the movies.

[DBZAOTA482]

IMO Cell would be way more interesting at the Tournament of Power than Freeza. Gohan would be way more relevant and Cell would take more part in the action.

We could also see the Freeza-Cell dynamic become canon (sorta) in the anime via Frost.

[Toxin45]

IMO Cell would be way more interesting at the Tournament of Power than Freeza. Gohan would be way more relevant and Cell would take more part in the action.

We could also see the Freeza-Cell dynamic become canon (sorta) in the anime via Frost.

Nah Frieza is more popular in japan than Cell dude it would be cool if the upcoming movie feature both Frieza and Cell.

[ABED]

Why does it matter so much who's more popular? 'What's the more interesting story?' is the pertinent question.

[Toxin45]

Why does it matter so much who's more popular? 'What's the more interesting story?' is the pertinent question.

Well Frieza has become the most recurring villain in the series at this point and toriyama nor toei don't seem on planning to get rid of him. So your desires are pretty much irreverent so he is gonna be in pretty much a major recurring character from now on they already him back for the tournament of power and is revived at the end due to helping universe 7 with the tournament.

[Kamiccolo9]

Nah you just don't get it he returns twice and got more popular and most profitable villain.

Nah King piccolo is gone forever Frieza is still Goku's archenemy because they still don't like each other and Frieza had more recurring appears than king piccolo.

Just like how revisting the Saiyans concept is and also Frieza is the franchises recurring villain he will now be appearing more story arcs now regardless if he wants revenge or not or even if he is the villain or not he is still Goku's most personal enemy. Also it stated that Frieza will be involved in the upcoming movie anyway.

Eh Frieza will appear in the movie and is already becoming a recurring character.

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

Cool also what are thoughts on this frieza being a recurring villain in the series.

Yeah and even those new character becomes old and if those new characters become recurring they proably become stale as well but still remain loved what ideas for new characters you have huh? Besides with how Toriyama revives frieza I don't think he will kill him off anymore.

Nah he is goku's archenemy at this point and your kinda bias over nostalgia and he w.ll stay a recurring villain Toriyama brought him back twice so he has no intention of getting rid of frieza anytime and we have Beerus,Hit,Black,and Jiren as antagonist does that not satisfy you/

Nah Frieza came back twice in super and toriyama will never be rid of him besides we watched super on saturdays so basically Dragon Ball super is saturday night anime lol. In Japan Super is a sunday morining cartoon actually plus frieza can train now and so continues to do so while being focused on reviving his empire. Even the one-off villains was kinda getting old. At this point now Frieza is the recurring villain of the franchise for better or worse the franchise can no longer get rid of him now. Losing their aura is kinda weird exscuse.

I think we get it.

[Toxin45]

Nah you just don't get it he returns twice and got more popular and most profitable villain.

Nah King piccolo is gone forever Frieza is still Goku's archenemy because they still don't like each other and Frieza had more recurring appears than king piccolo.

Just like how revisting the Saiyans concept is and also Frieza is the franchises recurring villain he will now be appearing more story arcs now regardless if he wants revenge or not or even if he is the villain or not he is still Goku's most personal enemy. Also it stated that Frieza will be involved in the upcoming movie anyway.

Eh Frieza will appear in the movie and is already becoming a recurring character.

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

Cool also what are thoughts on this frieza being a recurring villain in the series.

Yeah and even those new character becomes old and if those new characters become recurring they proably become stale as well but still remain loved what ideas for new characters you have huh? Besides with how Toriyama revives frieza I don't think he will kill him off anymore.

Nah he is goku's archenemy at this point and your kinda bias over nostalgia and he w.ll stay a recurring villain Toriyama brought him back twice so he has no intention of getting rid of frieza anytime and we have Beerus,Hit,Black,and Jiren as antagonist does that not satisfy you/

Nah Frieza came back twice in super and toriyama will never be rid of him besides we watched super on saturdays so basically Dragon Ball super is saturday night anime lol. In Japan Super is a sunday morining cartoon actually plus frieza can train now and so continues to do so while being focused on reviving his empire. Even the one-off villains was kinda getting old. At this point now Frieza is the recurring villain of the franchise for better or worse the franchise can no longer get rid of him now. Losing their aura is kinda weird exscuse.

I think we get it.

Alright sorry dude.