Y’know... I don’t get Toei/Toriyama/Toyotaro’s decisions at times.

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Post by Michsi » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:09 pm

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Broly.... even if it doesn't happen, I think it's best to come to terms with this just so we can be prepared.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:11 pm

Michsi wrote:Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Broly.... even if it doesn't happen, I think it's best to come to terms with this just so we can be prepared.
SS4 broly is more horrifying and much more likely, that eyeliner is very suspicious..
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Post by majinwarman » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:12 pm

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omaro34 wrote:has the broly news been confirmed for real or is that still up in the air?
I think Ajay and Geekdom101 talked about it so it's looking official. :mrgreen:

Those "canon" debates are going to be great. :lol:
Well, I'm going to calm down and not jump to conclusions anymore. I'm going to wait until a full press release happens or the Kanzenshuu website front page posts about it.
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:13 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:Yeah, this is fan service in it's purest form. As for Vegeta, he'll be fine.. I think.

Toriyama pulled off Freeza in TOP well enough that I am more than ready to give broly a chance as well..

Keep Gohan the fuck away from all this, I have a feeling it won't end well for him

Everyone knows the real canon is everything not GT :lol: :P
He's front and center with Goku so he's going to shine. As a Vegeta fan, I never thought I'd see the day where Vegeta would be able to get back and Freeza and Broly but here we are. :clap: As for fan service, can we have Gogeta as well ? let's go all out. :lol:

The producers said he turned down a lot of ideas and he got the final say on things, even if he didn't want a new movie made so I think he saw something in Broly worth revisiting. Overall he hasn't disappointed so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

R.I.P Gohan. :cry:

Good luck arguing for the movies now. So...when will we get Cooler and Ssj4. :shifty:
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:14 pm

majinwarman wrote: Well, I'm going to calm down and not jump to conclusions anymore. I'm going to wait until a full press release happens or the Kanzenshuu website front page posts about it.
How many times have we jumped to conclusions only to be wrong ? yeah, I lost count too so chances are things will be fine, even if it's Broly.
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Post by Michsi » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
Michsi wrote:Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Broly.... even if it doesn't happen, I think it's best to come to terms with this just so we can be prepared.
SS4 broly is more horrifying and much more likely, that eyeliner is very suspicious..
Oh hey, I just noticed those. *cries*

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:17 pm

Relax people. This reminds me of the weeks prior to the debut of the Future Trunks arc. Everyone thought that Goku Black was just going to be a crappy character who belonged in a garbage fan-fiction. Well, Guess what? The producers actually managed to develop Goku Black into a unique and original villain and he is now one of the most beloved Dragon Ball antagonists by far.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Drellz26 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:24 pm

The only way this is acceptable is if it retcons Broly completely. I’m still really hoping it’s fake because this completely kills my excitement.

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:28 pm

Drellz26 wrote:The only way this is acceptable is if it retcons Broly completely. I’m still really hoping it’s fake because this completely kills my excitement.
My thoughts exactly

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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:30 pm

Drellz26 wrote:The only way this is acceptable is if it retcons Broly completely.
Of course it's going to throw movie Broly along everything else in Z's movies out the window. If Toriyama reintroduces Ssj4 then you can throw GT out as well.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:31 pm

Broly is currently trending worldwide, whether or not this shows the idea works is something I will leave to individual judgement
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Post by omaro34 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:31 pm

Cetra wrote:
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Broly did speak in movie 1. He was mocking the characters all the time and bathing in the light of his own glory.
We already had 3 Broly movies plus Kale was a female version of Broly when she transformed...I thought we seen enough of him
Well, think of it from that perspective: Maybe we get some spin. Like with Freeza. But hopefully not AFTER the movie in the way they did it with Fukkatsu no F. Because his character moments if you ask me came after the movie/arc and in the Tournament Arc then.
I agree as long as we get a more developed backstory other than the uninteresting one we got from the first Broly movie I'll be satisfied.
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Post by majinwarman » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:32 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote:Relax people. This reminds me of the weeks prior to the debut of the Future Trunks arc. Everyone thought that Goku Black was just going to be a crappy character who belonged in a garbage fan-fiction. Well, Guess what? The producers actually managed to develop Goku Black into a unique and original villain and he is now one of the most beloved Dragon Ball antagonists by far.
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:34 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:Broly is currently trending worldwide, whether or not this shows the idea works is something I will leave to individual judgement
My box office prediction for this movie was 75 million but with someone as popular as Broly being back I have to say I think it'll do upwards of 80-85 million so yes, it has worked. :clap:
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:36 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote:Relax people. This reminds me of the weeks prior to the debut of the Future Trunks arc. Everyone thought that Goku Black was just going to be a crappy character who belonged in a garbage fan-fiction. Well, Guess what? The producers actually managed to develop Goku Black into a unique and original villain and he is now one of the most beloved Dragon Ball antagonists by far.
Funnily enough I actually have confidence in TOEI's writers to pull this off, at least conceptually, execution is another story. If the Goku Black arc could be salvaged from being a streaming pile of fanfiction trash Broly can too.
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Having that heroes anime start with a SsjB vs Ssj4 doesn't seem like a coincidence anymore as if they're willing to bring Broly into "canon" then Ssj4 is probably not far behind. Now that would generate hype. You can only recolor har so many times before running out of colors.
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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:40 pm

Toriyama Akira: So, this Broli that you showed me a picture of so I could design a female Saiyajin for you ... I don't remember this character from my manga.
Koyama Takao: That's right, Toriyama-san! I made him for a movie!
Toriyama Akira: Oh yes, the movies. I'm sorry, I vaguely remember them. You said he was quite popular?
Toei sings: HE IS ONE OF THE MOST WELL LIKED CHARACTERS IN DRAGON BALL TORIYAMA-SAAAAN~
Toriyama Akira: He is?
Toei: Yup. That's why Kale was such a surprise to people.
Toriyama Akira: Well, you killed him, right?
Toei: Yes, Broli died in the second movie.
Toriyama Akira: How many movies were made with him.
Toei: Three. The last one was about a clone of him.
Toriyama Akira: With Freeza returning ... do you think Broli would be a surprise?
Toei: $_$
Toyble breaks through the door: WHAT?! TORIYAMA-sensei! Are you really going to ... I'm such a fan of Broli, too!
Toriyama Akira: Would you like to draw more of him in later manga chapters?
*Toyble falls unconscious on the floor drooling*
Toriyama Akira: Ya'll a bunch of Nerds.
Toei: Are you really sure you want to throw Broli into the ring, Toriyama-san?
Toriyama Akira: Why? What's the problem?
*Toei looks at internet, canonicity arguments, then at their bank account*
Toei: Do you not know ...?
Toriyama Akira: What?
Toei: Nothing. Never mind. Good idea! *opens bottle of whiskey*
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Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:43 pm

sintzu wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Broly is currently trending worldwide, whether or not this shows the idea works is something I will leave to individual judgement
My box office prediction for this movie was 75 million but with someone as popular as Broly being back I have to say I think it'll do upwards of 80-85 million so yes, it has worked. :clap:
Gonna visit the theaters simply to experience the possible battle royale going down when someone unavoidably screams broly is now canon....
It'll be me, I'll be the one screaming that.. :lol:

But seriously, broly is a very polarizing character, the theater's worth visiting for the reactions alone..
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Post by BlueBasilisk » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:44 pm

sintzu wrote:Having that heroes anime start with a SsjB vs Ssj4 doesn't seem like a coincidence anymore as if they're willing to bring Broly into "canon" then Ssj4 is probably not far behind. Now that would generate hype. You can only recolor har so many times before running out of colors.
Just make it cycle through all the colors at once, like Hyper Sonic. :thumbup:

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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:44 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Broly is currently trending worldwide, whether or not this shows the idea works is something I will leave to individual judgement
My box office prediction for this movie was 75 million but with someone as popular as Broly being back I have to say I think it'll do upwards of 80-85 million so yes, it has worked. :clap:
Gonna visit the theaters simply to experience the possible battle royale going down when someone unavoidably screams broly is now canon....
It'll be me, I'll be the one screaming that.. :lol:
Make sure you have an exit plan...and a camera.
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