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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:13 pm

All but the last are unpopular! That's a pretty cute pic of Chichi!
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:20 pm

Long-haired Chi-Chi is best Chi-Chi.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:04 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:ChiChi is better character than Bulma
ChiChi is hotter than Bulma (except for maybe GT and Super where i can see Bulma being slightly hotter)

And this has to be best ChiChi's appearance ever:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by WittyUsername » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:19 pm

I don’t think Kale is really any better than Broly.

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Post by Omniboy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:29 pm

WittyUsername wrote:I don’t think Kale is really any better than Broly.

I agree. Honestly for all the crap that "Second Coming" Broly gets for being annoying, she goes beyond that for me.

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Post by Robo4900 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:42 pm

Some quick-fire ones:

Ginyu swapping bodies with Goku is the most tiresome part of the original anime run to get through.
Kale is not even remotely compelling as a character.
Caulifla is the only good thing to come out of the Tournament Of Power, if we go by the anime.
... And the stupid-ass "back tingle" scene comes close to ruining that, and turning that whole affair into the worst thing to come out of the ToP.

And some more in-depth ones:

Vegeta in Super should be a much more humble man, given his entire character arc from the Cell games up through to the end of the Boo arc.
This is one of many, many things GT did much better than Super in terms of how it handled the characterisation and continued things set up in DB & Z, which Super has completely failed to consider, for the sake of making things appear to be more like they were in Z.
One of the big points made with Vegeta's character arc in the Boo and Cell arcs was that his mindless "MUST. BEAT. KAKARROT. NOTHING. ELSE. MATTERS." attitude was massively self-destructive, and heavily detrimental to his family too. Him realising this, putting his pride aside for a moment, being willing to just distract Boo for a bit while Goku gets a second or two of rest, and making the wishes on the Namekian Dragon Balls were key parts of the victory in the Boo arc. In fact, he did a similar thing in the Cell arc when he fired that last blast at Cell to throw him off-balance enough for Gohan to finish him off. Disregarding this, and having Vegeta's character moments generally centre around him take his own wins by his own power is one of Super's biggest fundamental flaws.
And yes, that is me advocating "Kill-stealing" from Vegeta. It's a central pillar of why he developed the way he did across the Cell and Boo arcs, and taking that away has heavily flanderised him in Super.

The Namek/Freeza arc is the weakest point of the entire original 11-year TV run.
The problem with the Namek/Freeza arc in the original anime is that it slows to an absolute goddamn crawl around when the Ginyus show up, and things don't get better until Garlic Jr. and the various short filler arcs around the start of the Cell arc gave Toei more breathing room. GT was free to move at whatever pace worked best for its story, so it ends up leaving Freeza in the dust. As much as the Freeza story is very engaging, it very quickly becomes an exercise in stretching for time, and gets dangerously close to unwatchable many times, as there's only so many things you can do to pad out Piccolo fighting Freeza and everyone looking on as they wait for Goku to heal.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:26 am

Ripper 30 wrote:Sabat has to always force his voice when he does vegeta and as you said about Bulma its pretty accurate. that's why the new voices from Kai onwards like that of Freeza, Beerus, Whis, Hit and Vados have been accurate.
Yeah, from what I've seen of the Super dub, he does sometimes feel kinda forced as Vegeta. He's a much better actor when he's not altering his voice. Just acting naturally made his Zoro, All Might, Kai Piccolo and Armstrong sound great. Doing a goofy voice for Kuwabara, on the other hand, not so much. Just ugh. And I came across a clip of the Attack on Titan Season 2 dub where he played a moustached guy. He sounded more like a caricature than a character. And when it comes to Yamcha, he just overplays the loser aspect of the character.
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I'll agree that he was fine, but I still think someone could have done a better job.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:00 am

Robo4900 wrote:Vegeta in Super should be a much more humble man, given his entire character arc from the Cell games up through to the end of the Boo arc.
This is one of many, many things GT did much better than Super in terms of how it handled the characterisation and continued things set up in DB & Z, which Super has completely failed to consider, for the sake of making things appear to be more like they were in Z.
One of the big points made with Vegeta's character arc in the Boo and Cell arcs was that his mindless "MUST. BEAT. KAKARROT. NOTHING. ELSE. MATTERS." attitude was massively self-destructive, and heavily detrimental to his family too. Him realising this, putting his pride aside for a moment, being willing to just distract Boo for a bit while Goku gets a second or two of rest, and making the wishes on the Namekian Dragon Balls were key parts of the victory in the Boo arc. In fact, he did a similar thing in the Cell arc when he fired that last blast at Cell to throw him off-balance enough for Gohan to finish him off. Disregarding this, and having Vegeta's character moments generally centre around him take his own wins by his own power is one of Super's biggest fundamental flaws.
And yes, that is me advocating "Kill-stealing" from Vegeta. It's a central pillar of why he developed the way he did across the Cell and Boo arcs, and taking that away has heavily flanderised him in Super.
I agree with this. I enjoy Super for what it is, but Vegeta's characterization has been regressed for the sake of appeasing old Z fans. It sometimes feel like they are just doing it as an apology for GT because that show got a lot of hate at the time. I do think what GT did with Vegeta being a logical character progression and a strong point for that series. Guess it just shows GT was hated because of wasted potential and bad executon rather than inherently bad ideas.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by GT_Goten10 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:05 am

—DBGT is my favorite DragonBall(although I know it’s objectively not the best)
-I think Friezer is the most overrated Villian
-I think DragonBall Z is bit overrated
-Super Saiyan 3 is the most useless Form
-TOP is one of the most boring Arcs in DB
-I like Vegetas moustache in DBGT
-I like the Ribrianne&the para para Brothers
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Post by Grimlock » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:49 am

GT_Goten10 wrote:—-I think Friezer is the most overrated Villian
Yes. There isn't anything interesting in particular with that character. I really don't know what's all this fuss about him, if anything, he became even more boring due to his constant appearances these days, though handled well in Universe Survival saga, his character as a whole is way overused.
GT_Goten10 wrote:-I think DragonBall Z is bit overrated
Agreed. All because of fights, which is a shame.
GT_Goten10 wrote:-Super Saiyan 3 is the most useless Form
What has that form accomplished besides being ugly anyway? As I always say: all those transformations after Super Saiyan 2 shouldn't have been created.
GT_Goten10 wrote:-TOP is one of the most boring Arcs in DB
Not counting the Super Saiyan 2 scenes it had, it is indeed. Along with each and every other tournament. Damn if at least some of them were more elaborated and not just fights.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:07 am

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GT_Goten10 wrote:—-I think Friezer is the most overrated Villian
Yes. There isn't anything interesting in particular with that character. I really don't know what's all this fuss about him, if anything, he became even more boring due to his constant appearances these days, though handled well in Universe Survival saga, his character as a whole is way overused.
He is still a good villain to me, but he is overused for sure. A lot.
Frieza should've died on Namek or on Earth killed by Trunks. No filler returns, movies, GT and DBS. They all killed this character.

Broly is what i call really overrated villain with his fans thinking he is the strongest villain, being able to beat top-tier GT and Super characters like Omega Shenron or Beerus.
And i'm not even talking about forms he gets in games like SSJ4 or God.
I'm talking about LSSJ Broly from movies :|
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Post by Cetra » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:11 am

sunsetshimmer wrote: I'm talking about LSSJ Broly from movies :|
And who's saying he cannot or better, could not? If you can scale up guys like Freeza you can do the same thing with Broly and his special form. You can bring back any person in fiction and make them match others. If they wanted they could write Pilaf getting something super special and then suddenly being a fighter. They can do whatever they want. And Broly, like Freeza at least has some sort of excuse from the beginning.
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Post by GT_Goten10 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:19 am

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Grimlock wrote:
GT_Goten10 wrote:—-I think Friezer is the most overrated Villian
Yes. There isn't anything interesting in particular with that character. I really don't know what's all this fuss about him, if anything, he became even more boring due to his constant appearances these days, though handled well in Universe Survival saga, his character as a whole is way overused.
He is still a good villain to me, but he is overused for sure. A lot.
Frieza should've died on Namek or on Earth killed by Trunks. No filler returns, movies, GT and DBS. They all killed this character.

Broly is what i call really overrated villain with his fans thinking he is the strongest villain, being able to beat top-tier GT and Super characters like Omega Shenron or Beerus.
And i'm not even talking about forms he gets in games like SSJ4 or God.
I'm talking about LSSJ Broly from movies :|


Broly&Jiren are definitely one of the worst I have ever seen
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Post by Cetra » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:20 am

Toppo should have been immediately disqualified once he "made up his mind". It does not matter if he is not officially the Hakaishin of their universe at this point. He was able to do exactly the same things against his opponents and more importantly, he did (except for the erasure thing but its not like you could not forbid official Hakaishin to do that), the only thing that was left was an official promotion with Belmod's resignation. As if an official position would be the actual problem here.
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Post by Spider-Man » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:53 am

GT_Goten10 wrote: -I think DragonBall Z is bit overrated
-Super Saiyan 3 is the most useless Form
-I like the Ribrianne
I definitely agreed with this.

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Post by Robo4900 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:49 pm

GT_Goten10 wrote:-I think Friezer is the most overrated Villian
-I think DragonBall Z is bit overrated
-Super Saiyan 3 is the most useless Form
-TOP is one of the most boring Arcs in DB
-I like Vegetas moustache in DBGT
-I like the Ribrianne&the para para Brothers
Agreed on all counts.

Though, I will note that Super Saiyan 3 being useless is kind of the point, and I think that's pretty much genius. Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 had sort of brought things to a state of "gief more transfomratons that are cool!!", so we get the counter of Super Saiyan 3, which is more powerful, more overdesigned, and pushes things much further, but it's useless and stupid, and Goku is an idiot for using it. Notice that the only two people to use Super Saiyan 3 are Goku, when he's briefly using it as a last-ditch effort to beat Boo with no regard for the fact it may in fact kill him in the process, or when he's pretty much just using it to show off to Boo so he doesn't kill Trunks as he tries to get the radar, and Gotenks, who's a massive, idiotic egomaniac who absolutely would use something as useless and idiotic as Super Saiyan 3.
So, Super Saiyan 3 - genius in narrative terms, stupid in in-universe terms.

I think Vegeta's moustache is a bit stupid, but what actually gets done about it in the series is hilarious, and one of my favourite things to come out of GT.

As for Dragon Ball Z being overrated, I do agree... In fact, in quite a few ways, I think Z's arcs are all a bit of a step down from the prior arcs; the scope and scale of things expanded, but the show never really took full advantage of it, and actually in some ways reduced its scope by largely sidelining the humourous side of the show to the subplots and filler. This is one reason I give the Boo arc so much credit; it was like "Okay, this is all well and good, but how about we have some fun this time around?"

And yes, Freeza is massively overrated. He's fun to watch, but there's no depth or personality to him other than "fun evil". He's a good sort of "Final boss" guy to have in the Namek arc, but he's the weakest main antagonist in the entire original 11-year run. In fact, IMO we already got a better, more interesting, more fun version of what Freeza was a few years earlier with Piccolo Daimao.
GT_Goten10 wrote:—DBGT is my favorite DragonBall(although I know it’s objectively not the best)
GT is absolutely great, and I love it to bits, but DB and Z rank above it for me.
However, I can absolutely see why you'd prefer GT above the others; it's a really solid short run, aesthetically it definitely is the best of all the Dragon Ball series, and it has a style of its own that's just really nice. I find that ranking it below DB and Z is actually something of a toss-up for me; I think it is something of a close call, probably largely influenced by nostalgia, and the fairly small number of stories GT told in comparison to the two other series.
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no depth or personality to him other than "fun evil".
What exactly constitutes depth?

Freeza has a personality, a very distinctive one at that. Freeza sees himself as a civilized gentleman and carries himself as such, but he occasionally lets the mask slide and you see him revel in destruction, then when he's truly pissed that all goes out the window.
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ABED wrote:
no depth or personality to him other than "fun evil".
What exactly constitutes depth?

Freeza has a personality, a very distinctive one at that. Freeza sees himself as a civilized gentleman and carries himself as such, but he occasionally lets the mask slide and you see him revel in destruction, then when he's truly pissed that all goes out the window.
He does have a personality, but it's a fairly thin, stock thing, and there's not really anything underneath his obvious devilish nature. The polite facade he puts on top of this is pretty obviously a facade, and I don't think even he thinks he's fooling anybody, he just revels in evil...
I don't really see what's deep about evil, in this case.
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Robo4900 wrote:
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no depth or personality to him other than "fun evil".
What exactly constitutes depth?

Freeza has a personality, a very distinctive one at that. Freeza sees himself as a civilized gentleman and carries himself as such, but he occasionally lets the mask slide and you see him revel in destruction, then when he's truly pissed that all goes out the window.
He does have a personality, but it's a fairly thin, stock thing, and there's not really anything underneath his obvious devilish nature. The polite facade he puts on top of this is pretty obviously a facade, and I don't think even he thinks he's fooling anybody, he just revels in evil...
I don't really see what's deep about evil, in this case.
It's not a stock thing anymore than the "every villain is the hero of their own story" is. It's all about execution, and Freeza is well executed. What do you consider depth?

Freeza's façade isn't about fooling anyone, it's what he thinks he is. It's how he sees himself.

You bring up Piccolo Daimao, but he's literally evil incarnate. What's the difference?
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Post by PFM18 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:49 pm

Robo4900 wrote:aesthetically it definitely is the best of all the Dragon Ball series
Uhh what? Have you seen the Zamasu and ToP arcs? They are aesthetically massively superior to anything coming from the other 3 DB series.

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