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by sunsetshimmer » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:10 pm
Last chapter of DBS manga is better than entire ToP arc in anime.
In fact, i enjoyed this manga frame more than entire ToP arc in anime:

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by ricky84 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:12 pm
sunsetshimmer wrote:Last chapter of DBS manga is better than entire ToP arc in anime.
In fact, i enjoyed this manga frame more than entire ToP arc in anime:

You mean a chapter with horrendous, worse powerscaling, character writing (especially for Kale) and fight scenes than any part of the anime lmao.
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by OhHiRenan » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:43 pm
sunsetshimmer wrote:Last chapter of DBS manga is better than entire ToP arc in anime.
In fact, i enjoyed this manga frame more than entire ToP arc in anime:

The manga in generally has been consistently better than the anime. Better choreography, better characterization, and better writing all around. The ToP especially is much better than the anime’s slog of an arc.
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by GT_Goten10 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:49 pm
ricky84 wrote:- Early DB (Vol. 1-16) is highly overrated, not better than Z at all
- The Black Star saga (GT) is the worst arc in the franchise
I think ROF arc&Copy Vegeta Are far worse
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by PFM18 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:19 am
ricky84 wrote:sunsetshimmer wrote:Last chapter of DBS manga is better than entire ToP arc in anime.
In fact, i enjoyed this manga frame more than entire ToP arc in anime:

You mean a chapter with horrendous, worse powerscaling, character writing (especially for Kale) and fight scenes than any part of the anime lmao.
I agree but this isnt the thread to get into that.
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by Xeogran » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:32 am
I enjoyed Goku being a child in GT. His chemistry with Pan was fun too thanks to this.
Since Pan was a new member of the Son family, it was nice for her to learn about Goku's origins "first-hand". Going on adventures with her young grandpa was like a real life history lesson for the girl

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by GT_Goten10 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:41 pm
Xeogran wrote:I enjoyed Goku being a child in GT. His chemistry with Pan was fun too thanks to this.
Since Pan was a new member of the Son family, it was nice for her to learn about Goku's origins "first-hand". Going on adventures with her young grandpa was like a real life history lesson for the girl

Finally..
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by GT_Goten10 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:43 pm
-Goku Black is Overrated
-Zamasu is Underrated
-kid Goku>Adult Goku
-Pan(GT) is a good Character
-I enjoyed the 9 Weeks of Peace “arc“ more than anything in Super
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by sunsetshimmer » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:51 pm
Xeogran wrote:I enjoyed Goku being a child in GT
GT_Goten10 wrote:
-kid Goku>Adult Goku
This ^
GT_Goten10 wrote:
-Pan(GT) is a good Character

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by ricky84 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:16 pm
- Kid Goku is overrated. I never found him as charming and likable as the folks that shill Early DB do. He comes across as rather blander and less interesting to me. Hell, even the writers of GT seem to think making him a kid again was a bad idea since they had him be an adult again as SSJ4 and in the end of GT.
- YuYa Takahashi>Toriyama in designs.
- Toyotaro's art is little better than Yamamuro's
- Most of the Hakaishin and Shadow Dragons have some of the worst designs in the franchise.
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by ABED » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:51 pm
How is kid Goku blander? He's fundamentally the same character he was when he grows up.
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by GT_Goten10 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:13 pm
ricky84 wrote:- Kid Goku is overrated. I never found him as charming and likable as the folks that shill Early DB do. He comes across as rather blander and less interesting to me. Hell, even the writers of GT seem to think making him a kid again was a bad idea since they had him be an adult again as SSJ4 and in the end of GT.
- YuYa Takahashi>Toriyama in designs.
- Toyotaro's art is little better than Yamamuro's
- Most of the Hakaishin and Shadow Dragons have some of the worst designs in the franchise.

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by Xeogran » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:16 pm
ricky84 wrote:Hell, even the writers of GT seem to think making him a kid again was a bad idea
How so? He just gained the transformation to become an adult, but still was a kid at base.
And in the end of GT he just grew up naturally...
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by GT_Goten10 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:19 pm
Kid Goku is the best Thing that GT could do (don’t hate me)
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by sunsetshimmer » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:28 pm
ricky84 wrote:even the writers of GT seem to think making him a kid again was a bad idea since they had him be an adult again as SSJ4 and in the end of GT.
Nah. If they really thought he is bad as kid then they wouldn't make Baby use black star balls and they wouldn't kill Piccolo.
They basically erased the ONLY way to make Goku adult again by permamently disabling black star dragon balls.
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by DestructoDisc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:38 pm
I don't find the Yamcha memes funny.
I loved GT Goten's hair and I hated EoZ Goten's hair.
Cabba's transformations were worse than Caulifla's transformations in the anime. I take tingly backs over getting SSJ2 because some random person called his "master" a chicken.
I also prefer Caulifla and Kale over Cabba. Caulifla and Kale are much more interesting and entertaining. Cabba is boring.
I didn't hate Ribrianne, in fact, I actually found her quite amusing at times. Her fights were also pretty entertaining and well animated.
I don't like Fat Buu and I was happy he wasn't in the tournament. I just think he's annoying.
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by Waluigiman » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:16 pm
[quote="DestructoDisc"
]I don't find the Yamcha memes funny.
I loved GT Goten's hair and I hated EoZ Goten's hair.
Cabba's transformations were worse than Caulifla's transformations in the anime. I take tingly backs over getting SSJ2 because some random person called his "master" a chicken.
I also prefer Caulifla and Kale over Cabba. Caulifla and Kale are much more interesting and entertaining. Cabba is boring.
I didn't hate Ribrianne, in fact, I actually found her quite amusing at times. Her fights were also pretty entertaining and well animated.
I don't like Fat Buu and I was happy he wasn't in the tournament. I just think he's annoying.[/quote]

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by GT_Goten10 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:34 am
DestructoDisc wrote:
I loved GT Goten's hair and I hated EoZ Goten's hair..

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by kudo6000 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:56 am
ABED wrote:How is kid Goku blander? He's fundamentally the same character he was when he grows up.
I'm curious, too.
Although he is noticeably more mature in certain aspects, Goku isn't a far cry from when he was younger.
That aside -- as much as I love SS2, SS3, and Omen to a degree, I despise the excessive usage of the Super Saiyan/God forms. I would prefer if Goku - or any character for that matter - were to focus primarily on strengthening their base stages instead of being reliant on transformations.
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by Xeogran » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:01 am
Another unpopular opinion:
I would love to see Paragus being the main villain of the new movie. It would bring a new twist, instead of duking it out with Broly.
Perhaps through some DNA modifications/Experiments.
Even better if he turned into a genetically-enhanced Oozaru.