Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[emperior]

Thats not what was said. https://mobile.twitter.com/Herms98/stat ... 5198863360

I’ll wait for the full translation but I’m pretty sure they mentioned at some point that they only discovered that stuff needed to be cut because the original storyboard would have made the movie 3 hours long.

They never said the storyboard was 3 hours long. They said the movie was supposed to be 90 minutes but Toriyama’s script was twice that so they had to cut some stuff. They even referenced that in the first DBMFL interview.

It’s not like they could know how long the script would have turned out without storyboarding first. They also said they wanted to bring in as much of what Toriyama wrote as possible. Because, frankly, I am sure that theoretically they could fit the script into 90 minutes if they wanted to, but then they would have to make everything happen faster, with no room for some suspense or long action sequences.
So they started to trim the storyboard with the goal of delivering almost everything Toriyama wrote down, and also increased the movie’s length a little.

[Sani007]

But why does Toei insist on 90-minute DB movies? This is the third already.
Their most successful franchise in worldwide, does not it worth as much as One Piece?

[BlueBasilisk]

Why does the question of whether the manga is canon or the show is canon give people such a boner?

What matters, for the sake of continuity, is to see what material the current series references for past events. DB Super has shown - again and again - clips from DB and DBZ for past events. Which means that for the DB Super anime, DB and DBZ (the anime, not the movies) are its canon. That's it. End of story. Stop worrying about whether the manga is more canon or not - that's irrelevant. All you need to know is that the Super anime wants you to remember the DB anime and the DBZ anime as lore. Likewise, if the manga ignores the anime, that means that for the manga only the previous Shonen Jump DB issues are canon. They are two different takes on the same story, none is more canon than the other (which is *probably* why the creators avoid giving a concrete answer).

Can we go back to the topic now, please?

Everyone gets so caught up on the tiny details of what is or is not canon. But honestly, the Super anime decided that future Trunks suddenly has blue hair and that makes no sense. The “canon” is really whatever Toriyama comes up with and it’s extremely loose.

“Super,” in manga or anime form IS the canon and the major plot points are what matter. Think of it as a story told by word of mouth where the details get mixed around a bit.

It happens every time we get some kind of behind the scenes information. From what I've seen, I'd say it happens because people see it as an opportunity to delegitimize the adaptation that they don't like along with the fans thereof while maintaining a sense of purity and comfort because daddy Toriyama really love their adaptation best so it's the One True Dragon Ball, not that other thing. More Fan Than Thou.

[Jesus-is Lord]

Why does the question of whether the manga is canon or the show is canon give people such a boner?

What matters, for the sake of continuity, is to see what material the current series references for past events. DB Super has shown - again and again - clips from DB and DBZ for past events. Which means that for the DB Super anime, DB and DBZ (the anime, not the movies) are its canon. That's it. End of story. Stop worrying about whether the manga is more canon or not - that's irrelevant. All you need to know is that the Super anime wants you to remember the DB anime and the DBZ anime as lore. Likewise, if the manga ignores the anime, that means that for the manga only the previous Shonen Jump DB issues are canon. They are two different takes on the same story, none is more canon than the other (which is *probably* why the creators avoid giving a concrete answer).

Can we go back to the topic now, please?

Everyone gets so caught up on the tiny details of what is or is not canon. But honestly, the Super anime decided that future Trunks suddenly has blue hair and that makes no sense. The “canon” is really whatever Toriyama comes up with and it’s extremely loose.

“Super,” in manga or anime form IS the canon and the major plot points are what matter. Think of it as a story told by word of mouth where the details get mixed around a bit.

It happens every time we get some kind of behind the scenes information. From what I've seen, I'd say it happens because people see it as an opportunity to delegitimize the adaptation that they don't like along with the fans thereof while maintaining a sense of purity and comfort because daddy Toriyama really love their adaptation best so it's the One True Dragon Ball, not that other thing. More Fan Than Thou.

So true but so sad at the same time. Which is why this stupid model toei and shueisha and Akira runs need to come to an end. Manga and anime MUST be unified, this idea of two separate canons is so dumb, hopefully they change it and change it soon. Have manga followed by the anime (wait what about the people who like the anime interpretations of events!?)
I
Couldn't
Care
Less
We still have the anime, but with better writing, power scailing, art, animation most likely, and basically live up to old dragon ball expectation, something modern dragon has flaundered to do! Plus toei can actually add some good filler this time around plus we'd actually get gore too assuming this anime returns to a better timeslot where more mature things are allowed.
(Wait manga is monthly, it'd have to turn seasonal and dragon ball is to popular for it to be seasonal) true, so either slam toyotaro off of vjump into weekly shonen jump or reboot the show! I don't care which! Get it done!

Or better yet, if none of this work, BLOW UP THE ENTIRE MANGA. Blow it up, discontinue toyotaro work and delegate him back to heroes. Have the anime show be the only thing in business.

Okay I talk like crazy man, but is it to much to ask to have a unified manga and anime...

[danielsan_190196]

The movie trailer will be dubbed in Mexico today, with Broly's original VA returning to voice him

[AnimeNation101]

I’ll wait for the full translation but I’m pretty sure they mentioned at some point that they only discovered that stuff needed to be cut because the original storyboard would have made the movie 3 hours long.

They never said the storyboard was 3 hours long. They said the movie was supposed to be 90 minutes but Toriyama’s script was twice that so they had to cut some stuff. They even referenced that in the first DBMFL interview.

It’s not like they could know how long the script would have turned out without storyboarding first. They also said they wanted to bring in as much of what Toriyama wrote as possible. Because, frankly, I am sure that theoretically they could fit the script into 90 minutes if they wanted to, but then they would have to make everything happen faster, with no room for some suspense or long action sequences.
So they started to trim the storyboard with the goal of delivering almost everything Toriyama wrote down, and also increased the movie’s length a little.

I dont remember them saying they want to bring in as much of what Toriyama wrote as possible but that clearly doesn’t mean as much considering they’re still dead set on keeping this movie around 90 minutes. But you do bring up a good point about how you might not be able to tell how long a script is in minutes if it hasn’t been storyboarded.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

They never said the storyboard was 3 hours long. They said the movie was supposed to be 90 minutes but Toriyama’s script was twice that so they had to cut some stuff. They even referenced that in the first DBMFL interview.

It’s not like they could know how long the script would have turned out without storyboarding first. They also said they wanted to bring in as much of what Toriyama wrote as possible. Because, frankly, I am sure that theoretically they could fit the script into 90 minutes if they wanted to, but then they would have to make everything happen faster, with no room for some suspense or long action sequences.
So they started to trim the storyboard with the goal of delivering almost everything Toriyama wrote down, and also increased the movie’s length a little.

I dont remember them saying they want to bring in as much of what Toriyama wrote as possible but that clearly doesn’t mean as much considering they’re still dead set on keeping this movie around 90 minutes. But you do bring up a good point about how you might not be able to tell how long a script is in minutes if it hasn’t been storyboarded.

I am sure after BoG and RF they would have experience enough to determine roughly how long the film would be based off the script.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

The movie trailer will be dubbed in Mexico today, with Broly's original VA returning to voice him

Man, dubbing scheduling is on-point for this film.

If not quality or story potential, the worldwide dubbing of this movie has been better and more internationally friendly than ever before.

[YamiGoku]

Dokkan is having a Broly movie event, maybe they'll spoil something
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]


Broly animations:

https://twitter.com/iseriously_/status/ ... 94208?s=19

https://twitter.com/iseriously_/status/ ... 69408?s=19

[Amir]

Whis said there is a mortal who is stronger than a GoD who is stronger than Beerus, which confirms Jiren is stronger than Beerus.

Whis said Jiren perhaps surpassed the STATE of a GoD while he was suppressed, which confirms Jiren was stronger than all of the GoDs.

End of story.

How do you miss "PERHAPS" surpassed the state of a god then ignore Beerus contradicting whis accusation with arm wrestling [anime/manga] and then whis NEVER confirming if Beerus is lying about it?

You didn't read carefully either.

He said perhaps when Jiren was really suppressed, so that "perhaps" heavily implied Jiren had indeed surpassed GoD state, they would never add that line if it wasn't true.

Even if Beerus doesn't think this GoD is stronger, the fact he beat him in arm wresing confirms Beerus and that said GoD are at least equal, and Jiren is stronger than that GoD.

Besides, in 130 Jiren broke his limits and got way stronger so if you still think he wasn't above the GoDs before, after that power up he FAR surpassed them.

[HeroR]

But why does Toei insist on 90-minute DB movies? This is the third already.
Their most successful franchise in worldwide, does not it worth as much as One Piece?

One Piece movies usually don’t run more than 90 minutes. That’s the standard length to almost all animated movies.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

You know, there's a perfectly good strength discussion thread for taking this debate.

I strongly suggest doing so.

Take this debate here, and leave this thread for actually discussing the movie:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30781

[ricky84]

Thank you! This myth has been long since disproven already, and this notion that the "anime came first" well if you are talking about the tv show then it actually came out after the manga. Though the manga started off as promotional (FOR THE MOVIE!!!! NOT THE T. SHOW!!!!!) it has since become it's own thing and is as canon the show.

It is a fact. It's published on V-Jump primarily known for video games and promotional products and we were told it was a "comicalization" from the start, from Toyotaro on the first chapter:

Getting to see a new DB anime series every week makes me too happy! With this comicalization, I want to make my own small contribution to the excitement, so everyone please check out the manga, too!

Sorry, but there are no evidences that the manga unlike the anime is the main product nor it's the actual continuation from Toriyama story.

For the sake of accuracy...The DB Super story itself is labeled canon. However, it uses the Super manga as it's canon for continuity of Toriyama's original DB manga, not the anime...
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

Some of the Super designs on that broad are not done by Toyotaro. And some of the info on the broad if you read closely also references events that were anime-only. That debunks your argument.

[theTUN]

Dokkan is having a Broly movie event, maybe they'll spoil something
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]


Broly animations:

https://twitter.com/iseriously_/status/ ... 94208?s=19

https://twitter.com/iseriously_/status/ ... 69408?s=19

That mouth laser looks pretty great.

[emperior]

It is a fact. It's published on V-Jump primarily known for video games and promotional products and we were told it was a "comicalization" from the start, from Toyotaro on the first chapter:


Sorry, but there are no evidences that the manga unlike the anime is the main product nor it's the actual continuation from Toriyama story.

For the sake of accuracy...The DB Super story itself is labeled canon. However, it uses the Super manga as it's canon for continuity of Toriyama's original DB manga, not the anime...
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

Some of the Super designs on that broad are not done by Toyotaro. And some of the info on the broad if you read closely also references events that were anime-only. That debunks your argument.

Where does it reference anime-only events?

[Sani007]

But why does Toei insist on 90-minute DB movies? This is the third already.
Their most successful franchise in worldwide, does not it worth as much as One Piece?

One Piece movies usually don’t run more than 90 minutes. That’s the standard length to almost all animated movies.

The last three One Piece movies:

One Piece: Strong World - 113 minute
One Piece: Z - 108 minute
One Piece: Gold - 120 minute

[MisteryOne]

It is a fact. It's published on V-Jump primarily known for video games and promotional products and we were told it was a "comicalization" from the start, from Toyotaro on the first chapter:


Sorry, but there are no evidences that the manga unlike the anime is the main product nor it's the actual continuation from Toriyama story.

For the sake of accuracy...The DB Super story itself is labeled canon. However, it uses the Super manga as it's canon for continuity of Toriyama's original DB manga, not the anime...
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

Some of the Super designs on that broad are not done by Toyotaro. And some of the info on the broad if you read closely also references events that were anime-only. That debunks your argument.

Literally all of the Super designs excluding obviously the Broly movie ones are done by Toyotaro and most of them even appeared in covers or V-Jumps. Are we looking at the same image? Also when does it show anime only stuff? I only see manga only things like Zamasu being alonside SS1 Black after he saved him.

It's amusing that people keep thinking the manga is a promotional product when it stopped being so back on chapter 9. When was that, 2 years ago?

[Kenneth La Torre]

You know, there's a perfectly good strength discussion thread for taking this debate.

I strongly suggest doing so.

Take this debate here, and leave this thread for actually discussing the movie:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30781

I wrote the same thing a couple posts back, and they wont listen. They are probably going to continue talking about it till a mod tells them to take it to the strength discussion thread.

[Noah]

It's amusing that people keep thinking the manga is a promotional product when it stopped being so back on chapter 9. When was that, 2 years ago?

Actually it's amusing that fans keep saying that though there's no evidence of it. I mean it is now published on Weekly Shonen Jump, where Dragon Ball was originally serialized? I don't think so.
Also the banner is english so people can question it's credibility as the word "canon" was never mentioned by any entity owner of Dragon Ball rights in Japan.

But this debate is getting off-topic, so it's better to take to this thread instead.

[PFM18]

Why does the question of whether the manga is canon or the show is canon give people such a boner?

What matters, for the sake of continuity, is to see what material the current series references for past events. DB Super has shown - again and again - clips from DB and DBZ for past events. Which means that for the DB Super anime, DB and DBZ (the anime, not the movies) are its canon. That's it. End of story. Stop worrying about whether the manga is more canon or not - that's irrelevant. All you need to know is that the Super anime wants you to remember the DB anime and the DBZ anime as lore. Likewise, if the manga ignores the anime, that means that for the manga only the previous Shonen Jump DB issues are canon. They are two different takes on the same story, none is more canon than the other (which is *probably* why the creators avoid giving a concrete answer).

Can we go back to the topic now, please?

Everyone gets so caught up on the tiny details of what is or is not canon. But honestly, the Super anime decided that future Trunks suddenly has blue hair and that makes no sense. The “canon” is really whatever Toriyama comes up with and it’s extremely loose.

“Super,” in manga or anime form IS the canon and the major plot points are what matter. Think of it as a story told by word of mouth where the details get mixed around a bit.

Trunks was always intended to have Blue hair but Toei fucked it up when they made the DBZ/Kai anime. He was always supposed to have blue hair and Toei was simply fixing their previous mistake. Geekdom made a video on it IIRC.