Shifting The Focus From Goku

[ABED]

The scale has gotten bigger, but if it's interesting why does it matter? Is his hunger for a fight really the thing that is making the story boring for you?

Because the people who own it don't want to end it, how is this a question? If DB must continue, then a static, stale Goku constantly repeating the same mistakes and going through the same arc is to the series' detriment in terms of artistic merit.

DB has ended before, so it's not an unfair question. DB doesn't have to continue, and why are you making it sound like Goku is the ONLY one who's stale and as though putting someone else in as the main character would make this any better.

[Doctor.]

DB doesn't have to continue

It doesn't have to, but it's continuing whether we want it to or not.

, and why are you making it sound like Goku is the ONLY one who's stale and as though putting someone else in as the main character would make this any better.

He's not the only one stale, I'm in favor of a revamp of the entire main cast if nobody has any interest in taking the old cast in a fresh, interesting new direction.

[ekrolo2]

The scale has gotten bigger, but if it's interesting why does it matter? Is his hunger for a fight really the thing that is making the story boring for you?

Because the people who own it don't want to end it, how is this a question? If DB must continue, then a static, stale Goku constantly repeating the same mistakes and going through the same arc is to the series' detriment in terms of artistic merit.

DB has ended before, so it's not an unfair question. DB doesn't have to continue, and why are you making it sound like Goku is the ONLY one who's stale and as though putting someone else in as the main character would make this any better.

It's not interesting, that's my point. It was almost interesting but then the series goes out of its way to justify Goku at every available opportunity, even the people who still find him responsible or morally dubious for causing the whole thing magically lose all animosity towards him once things kick off.

Which isn't to say Goku's the only one at fault here. Roshi being un-retired so Toriyama can prove that old people aren't irrelevant is dumping on him gracefully bowing out, Vegeta oscillates between his early Boo arc self and a Fairy Tail character, Piccolo is Gohan's grumpy sidekick, Gohan and Krillin have gotten their fighting spirit retired then unretired about 2 or 3 times each, what little Goten and Trunks had is gone,.... Everyone is just so bland and boring now.

[ABED]

It's not a morality tale. What is uninteresting about Goku putting the world in danger for the sake of a fight that would be fixed by going the more traditional superhero route?

If you want to revamp the entire main cast, why not just end it and create a spin off?

I get that the series is continuing whether we want it to or not, so the question is whether it should continue with Goku as its lead. I think it should. Pushing the focus onto another character, especially Uub, would make me less interested than I am now.

[ekrolo2]

It's not a morality tale. What is uninteresting about Goku putting the world in danger for the sake of a fight that would be fixed by going the more traditional superhero route?

If you want to revamp the entire main cast, why not just end it and create a spin off?

I get that the series is continuing whether we want it to or not, so the question is whether it should continue with Goku as its lead. I think it should. Pushing the focus onto another character, especially Uub, would make me less interested than I am now.

Have you watched the ToP arc? Because they very specifically bring up the morality of Goku's choice and how dubious it is at multiple points, it's an actual part of the arc from multiple characters and the impetus for what seems like conflict between Goku and the more superheroic Toppo, all of which gets dropped the second the fighting starts.

No one thinks Goku is scum anymore for doing it, almost everyone who should have a grudge with him doesn't anymore and the whole thing amounts to nothing. Then the story goes out of its way to retroactively say it was a fine from the get go.

What does this add to anyone when it just creates false expectations. You don't have the story start by having Beerus on the verge of going to kill Goku, all but saying to everyone he's going too far then drop it.

[ABED]

The question isn't whether he's moral, it's whether Goku is interesting.

[Waluigiman]

Goku is alright but sharing the spotlight (besides Vegeta)wouldn't hurt no one. Dragon Ball Super seems to be trying to do this (revival of F and Tournament of Power) but at the same time is not doing it.(supporting characters too far behind/weak/ what you want to call this) This is probably why I enjoyed watching Goku teaming up with Frieza and 17 because this was the best fight in Dragon Ball Super if not the whole series.

You do know that making previously weak characters instantly strong is what people criticized Super for right? Just let the weak characters retire honestly, no reason to keep Tenshinhan, Krillin, Roshi, Piccolo around as fighters anymore

I am aware but it is forgivable because they can always invent whatever means to power up someone. In other words I don't give a care about powerlevels as I prefer to use the logic of the Dragon Ball Videogames.

[DBZAOTA482]

But Goku still stands out in large part because so many of those types copied him. And so what if Goku gets worse as long as it's interesting?

Because it's not interesting. There's nothing endearing about a middle-aged man who still has the mentality of a 5 year old and only thinks of the next fight, especially since the series pretty much enables his behavior.

Modern Goku is like a dumber version of Cell Saga Vegeta but without the character development and being rightfully punished for his actions.

[LightBing]

I would watch it. Would I continue watching pass a certain point? Depends on the quality of the material.

I find it alarming how little Dragon Ball bothers to explore alternative stories, Vegeta's/Raditz/Nappa early life, Mutaito against Piccolo Daimao, the fall of Namek, etc...
There's a clear fear or lack of confidence that if it doesn't include Goku, it will fail it seems. The one exception is Jaco which was charming.

[ABED]

I would watch it. Would I continue watching pass a certain point? Depends on the quality of the material.

I find it alarming how little Dragon Ball bothers to explore alternative stories, Vegeta's/Raditz/Nappa early life, Mutaito against Piccolo Daimao, the fall of Namek, etc...
There's a clear fear or lack of confidence that if it doesn't include Goku, it will fail it seems. The one exception is Jaco which was charming.

That's not lack of confidence, it's just useless backstory and exposition beyond what we got in the story.

Because it's not interesting. There's nothing endearing about a middle-aged man who still has the mentality of a 5 year old and only thinks of the next fight, especially since the series pretty much enables his behavior.

Modern Goku is like a dumber version of Cell Saga Vegeta but without the character development and being rightfully punished for his actions.

It's not a morality tale, it's an action adventure series. Also, I wrote "interesting" very specifically. You don't have to like Goku's actions or those of any fictional character for that matter, to find them interesting.