Trunks Kills Frieza w/ (Original?) Musical Cue

[Kirbopher]

Ah yeah, I remember that "Trunks theme" tune being played in a few places throughout the series, and that first teaser trailer just flashing the words "TRUNKS" over and over blasted it. For that specific scene, I actually MUCH prefer what they eventually used, as far as the dub music goes anyway.

[LegendarySSJ7]

I feel the emotional beats of this particular track aren't felicitous for the sequence to begin with, though to me neither dub track captured this scene for me as well as the original. I find that the FUNimation one does get you into the moment, but that the original is much more arousing and...serene. As for the track used in the Trunks trailer, that's my favorite Faulconer track and one of the seldom things FUNimation did dead-on, the first time through. Sadly, the "Trunks Saga" score isn't captured much throughout the dub.

In regards to the Boo Saga placement... well, it's good. The dub track that was there beforehand sort of made it seem as though defeating Boo had some sort of quieted mood, but not even the original (recycling the track used at the end of Movie 7 and during Cell's inanely draw-out full power power-up in the anime, IIRC) captured the epic tone I feel this sequence should have had by nature. Then again, neither did the Manga, for I feel this Saga wasn't all that great, but I won't delve into that.

I liked the track that was supposedly, originally threaded, but not in such context. But, again, the original accentuated this scene (Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza) best to me.

[Arcwave]

I liked the track that was supposedly, originally threaded, but not in such context. But, again, the original accentuated this scene (Trunks slicing and dicing Freeza) best to me.

Well, whatever you saw first usually sticks. But after reviewing the Trunks theme many times in this scene, I have come to like it a great deal more. To me, that is the Trunks theme, and therefore should have been kept. And maybe Destruction could pop in while Trunks finishes off Frieza and blasts him away or something... but when he first jumps over Frieza with his sword up, the Trunks cue is perfect IMO.

And yes, the editors did stick in that track for a couple heroic scenes (Goku's sacrifice in Cell Games, Buu dying, etc), so why not keep it for Frieza's death? That.. we will never know.

Then again, different strokes for different folks

[Super Sonic]

Too bad I never got to hear that music in the series (at least as it is in the trailer).

Sometimes companies will decide to change a series from what was in its trailer. For example, I remember seeing an Eureka Seven trailer with the Yuri Lowenthal-voiced Renton rather than Mr. Bosch, as well as an Ai Yori Aoshi trailer where Aoi calls her boyfriend "Lord Kaoru". (For you who haven't seen this series, she addresses him as "Kaoru-sama" in both the subtitles and the dub).

[NeptuneKai]

That music hurt my ears, it sounded like someone banging on a piano and seeing what noises they could make then slapping them all together in one audio file.

[Kendamu]

Too bad I never got to hear that music in the series (at least as it is in the trailer).

Sometimes companies will decide to change a series from what was in its trailer. For example, I remember seeing an Eureka Seven trailer with the Yuri Lowenthal-voiced Renton rather than Mr. Bosch, as well as an Ai Yori Aoshi trailer where Aoi calls her boyfriend "Lord Kaoru". (For you who haven't seen this series, she addresses him as "Kaoru-sama" in both the subtitles and the dub).

Well, yeah, I know that. If you're a TMNT fan, just watch the trailer for the very first TMNT live-action movie from 1990 and then watch the movie itself. None of the voices or music match up to what was really in the movie.

Still, it would've been nice to hear the trailer version of the track in the series. It would've reminded me of when, back in the day, someone made a fan-video of Son Goku and Freeza fighting to Mega Man X music to show that dub music could be really cool!

[Sun_Wukong]

Well, whatever you saw first usually sticks. But after reviewing the Trunks theme many times in this scene, I have come to like it a great deal more. To me, that is the Trunks theme, and therefore should have been kept.

Going to have to disagree with your first statement. I was introduced to DBZ through the dub. I've seen at least 80% of it in its original Japanese. I cant even watch the dub anymore because of the Faulconer music.

Well that and a load of other things I dont feel like bitching about

[cRookie_Monster]

The track used in the trailer was really cool back when it first heard it. I must've played the trailer video on my computer like 100 times in the background while doing other things.

There are only a few dub tracks that I absolutely hate. There are a lot that I can tolerate. But, there are very few that I actually like and the Trunks trailer music was one of them.

Too bad I never got to hear that music in the series (at least as it is in the trailer).

I was really fond of the Trunks theme as well...

The first time I saw Destruction matched to the Trunks footage....I doubled over laughing cause it was so ridiculous...

(I was the guitar player for all the tracks in discussion btw)

How much of the music did Faulconer actually do?

Good question....the answer is.....well......I really shouldn't answer that directly.

Faulconer = author for all tracks.

That title is something that can be bought and sold...and the above statement might not even be true cause I think Funi bought the rights from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire

[cRookie_Monster]

Well, whatever you saw first usually sticks. But after reviewing the Trunks theme many times in this scene, I have come to like it a great deal more. To me, that is the Trunks theme, and therefore should have been kept.

Going to have to disagree with your first statement. I was introduced to DBZ through the dub. I've seen at least 80% of it in its original Japanese. I cant even watch the dub anymore because of the Faulconer music.

Well that and a load of other things I dont feel like bitching about

From my experience what people see first IS usually what they prefer. It takes a lot of views\listens to turn that around.

For example...look at how horrified everyone was when the '99 DBZ dub episodes came out. For YEARS it was all profanity and insults on the web. Now that all the kids who were watching back then have grown up and are on the web.....the situation is completely different. I can't beleive how many Faulconer fans there are today. And I see people championing the 99 cast voices all the time now.

And I look at how I see things. I can't count the number of times I've heard a "remake" song first and then gone back to find the original and thought..."wow that sounds weird, I like the new one better!"

I think you can overturn that instinct by getting really familiar with the other version...or if one is just HUGELY better than the other (which I'm sure many of you here will claim is the case =P )

Anway, I'm not asserting anything about the Faulconer score. I definitely have my own issues with it in many places.

[Lavender Saiyan]

It is true, I always wondered why that piece was called "Frieza's Death"...It's an interesting theory by this guy.

[Kendamu]

Well, whatever you saw first usually sticks. But after reviewing the Trunks theme many times in this scene, I have come to like it a great deal more. To me, that is the Trunks theme, and therefore should have been kept.

Going to have to disagree with your first statement. I was introduced to DBZ through the dub. I've seen at least 80% of it in its original Japanese. I cant even watch the dub anymore because of the Faulconer music.

Well that and a load of other things I dont feel like bitching about

For example...look at how horrified everyone was when the '99 DBZ dub episodes came out. For YEARS it was all profanity and insults on the web. Now that all the kids who were watching back then have grown up and are on the web.....the situation is completely different. I can't beleive how many Faulconer fans there are today. And I see people championing the 99 cast voices all the time now.

I've seen a lot of the same thing. For the sake of the dub cast, hopefully all the hurt they felt years ago has melted away by nostalgic fandom. However, being an oldbie, I still enjoy the Japanese version more despite my inability to read the VIZ manga and hear the Japanese voices in my head.

[xzero]

You know, I first heard that theme when I listened to the CD (which came out prior to its use in the end of the Majin Buu saga), and I couldn't figure out why I didn't remember it from back then. This makes a lot of sense in my opinion.

Also, regarding the Trunks Theme, a really good version of it was stuck into DBZ: Buu's Fury as the BGM for the hijacked train sequence in the desert level. That song, like many of the songs from the latter 2 DBZ story-based games, felt like a more complete version of the original. Check it out if you're able to.

[daveeb]

I like the version that was actually used in he episode. That music doesn't seem to fit.

[Arcwave]

I like the version that was actually used in he episode. That music doesn't seem to fit.

Technically, the song fits. All the instruments are cued on each scene exactly. If you watched the episode with this track inserted first, and then heard what it is on the show now, I think your opinion would slide. But then again, that's just me. I am obviously in favor of it.

[Lavender Saiyan]

Going to have to disagree with your first statement. I was introduced to DBZ through the dub. I've seen at least 80% of it in its original Japanese. I cant even watch the dub anymore because of the Faulconer music.

Well that and a load of other things I dont feel like bitching about

For example...look at how horrified everyone was when the '99 DBZ dub episodes came out. For YEARS it was all profanity and insults on the web. Now that all the kids who were watching back then have grown up and are on the web.....the situation is completely different. I can't beleive how many Faulconer fans there are today. And I see people championing the 99 cast voices all the time now.

I've seen a lot of the same thing. For the sake of the dub cast, hopefully all the hurt they felt years ago has melted away by nostalgic fandom. However, being an oldbie, I still enjoy the Japanese version more despite my inability to read the VIZ manga and hear the Japanese voices in my head.

It's not really just that...The musical score improved over time and the acting got better come Cell Era. I found it astounding when EX held his first live Podcast at a con how many people said Faulconer's Perfect Cell was their favorite DBZ BGM. These were people who started this sentice with "Not to be an asshole, but..."...You've got to give props where it's due. Season 3 was terrible...The acting was off for the most part a lot of bad musical choices. Not really the songs themselves but the placements. But, by Season 4, dialouge started getting more acurate. Better musical choices. The cast was into their characters.

Anyway this topic makes me wonder. In Season Set #2 they threw in a different Faulconer track over one Goku Vs.Ginyu scene. It makes me wonder if they'll use this in Season 4

[Arcwave]

Anyway this topic makes me wonder. In Season Set #2 they threw in a different Faulconer track over one Goku Vs.Ginyu scene. It makes me wonder if they'll use this in Season 4

They did that because the episodes had lined up differently, and their breaks totally fucked with the syncing of the original score. Therefore, the music editors at Funimation went in and just slopped shit around; throwing Vegeta's theme in very inappropriate areas as well as the suite from Krillin's harpoon entanglement with Frieza which we see later on. I don't think the current editors at Funimation know about the original Trunks cue. Evan Jones was the ADR engineer and editor at the time, but he left Funimation to join Barry Watson (the former director of the show) at Illumitoon last year. It's a whole new crew this time.

[TheGreatness25]

Yeah because the old Saban episodes are so cut up, that they took part of the next episode and put it in that one. So that first episode FUNimation did, they had to keep the continuity, so they chopped it around. Now that they went back, they had to piece it together again really.

[Arcwave]

Yeah because the old Saban episodes are so cut up, that they took part of the next episode and put it in that one. So that first episode FUNimation did, they had to keep the continuity, so they chopped it around. Now that they went back, they had to piece it together again really.

Exactly.

[Lavender Saiyan]

Oh right, I wasn't even paying attention to what part the muscial difference was in so I never noticed that.

[cRookie_Monster]

Anyway this topic makes me wonder. In Season Set #2 they threw in a different Faulconer track over one Goku Vs.Ginyu scene. It makes me wonder if they'll use this in Season 4

They did that because the episodes had lined up differently, and their breaks totally fucked with the syncing of the original score. Therefore, the music editors at Funimation went in and just slopped shit around; throwing Vegeta's theme in very inappropriate areas as well as the suite from Krillin's harpoon entanglement with Freeza which we see later on. I don't think the current editors at Funimation know about the original Trunks cue. Evan Jones was the ADR engineer and editor at the time, but he left Funimation to join Barry Watson (the former director of the show) at Illumitoon last year. It's a whole new crew this time.

niiice You rock Arc