Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[mahakaishin1991]

I mean, they were starving, and Broly is wearing Beets's armor, and Paragus is wearing his fanny pack. You do the math.

I mean, wearing his stuff doesn't mean they ate him. It makes more sense that they looted him like a Skyrim body. And like Ajay said, they killed him to have one less mouth to feed. I highly doubt Toriyama is delving into implied cannibalism.

Why? It's not like for surviving "normal" humans have done in real life as well
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And we are talking about Saiyans here after all

I want to know what part of the fact we are talking about saiyans means they are inherently cannibalistic, because thats not what they are famous for

[Terez]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

[TheRed259]

10 days left spot.

BTW, I saw this video last night with that guy telling other people in the street to watch the new movie. Don't know how I should feel about it...

Have some fans really become that desperate?

[Bullza]

Only 10 days already? I suppose I'll need to make that Box Office thread again soon then. I don't suppose Tori have mentioned a goal again for it have they?

[TheRed259]

Only 10 days already? I suppose I'll need to make that Box Office thread again soon then. I don't suppose Tori have mentioned a goal again for it have they?

How accurate are websites like Box Office Mojo and The Numbers when it comes to this?

[Shaddy]

God damn it, I just realized my phone corrected "Beets" to "Beers" last night. Now it looks like I'm using an uncommon name translation and implying Broly and Paragus could kill a Destroyer.

Or maybe I'm implying they're furries, whatever

[#17]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

This... And Vegeta was a mass murdered I'm on top on that. No one gives a damn.

But doing cannibalism for surviving is a problsm?

Well not really. But why even talking about it, if we don't even know what has happened to Beets

[Bullza]

How accurate are websites like Box Office Mojo and The Numbers when it comes to this?

If the last two movies are anything to go buy it'll be less accurate than what I come up with.

Box Office Mojo has Resurrection F at making $61.7 million but it was really more like $64.8 million. That's because they have the overseas gross as being as of September 2015 so it doesn't include China, South Korea, Germany, Spain and UK even though they do list some of those separately. The UK figure was wrong, it doesn't include the Canada gross etc.

The Numbers has it at $58.4 million so that's even further off.

[TheNingen]

God damn it, I just realized my phone corrected "Beets" to "Beers" last night. Now it looks like I'm using an uncommon name translation and implying Broly and Paragus could kill a Destroyer.

Or maybe I'm implying they're furries, whatever

Wait the ear draped around Broly isn't his fur suit? Movie is ruined for me. Not going to watch now

[JulieYBM]

One interesting scene that everyone is talking about elsewhere but no one is talking about here is when Paragus kills the third Saiyan (Beets) so him and Broly can survive on Vampa. I'm kinda torn on it myself because, while stuff like Yajirobe eating Cymbal has happened before, eating a human-looking alien just seems a bit too far. I guess there are plenty of real life examples of people getting stranded and forced to eat a fellow crew-mate but something about it is kinda overly dark. Wondering what you guys think?

I swear, sometimes y'all tend to have the most rose-tinted nostalgia-blinders on regarding how far the original run of the series was plenty of times willing to push things. And this time from another Broli movie no less!

Additional context: Movie #11 was directed by Yama'uchi Shigeyasu, the mentor of Movie #20 Director Nagamine Tatsuya, so violence isn't unlikely.

[Miracles]

Toriyama changed Beerus persona because it was too dark for him, stated TOEI's original of Bardock was too intense because it was unlike his Dragonball and people think he will hint at cannibalism here?

[mahakaishin1991]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

We eat other species, but we dont often eat each other outside of lunatics, serial killers, cults etc

Saying Paragus would eat him because vegeta ate another living being is like saying we'd cannibalise other humans because we eat other animals.

And a lot of animals can talk in this series so that's not really a factor.

[mahakaishin1991]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

This... And Vegeta was a mass murdered I'm on top on that. No one gives a damn.

But doing cannibalism for surviving is a problsm?

Well not really. But why even talking about it, if we don't even know what has happened to Beets

It's not the issue of it being 'a problem'

it's more it's an assumption without evidence, and presents with the same logic that anyone we don't see a corpse for after a certain amount of time could also be cannibalised.

With this arguement, namekians COULD have eaten Zarbon's remains, but there is no evidence for it. No comment to confirm it.

In fact the only time I think we could consider cannibalism from the saiyans is an out of control oozaru attacking a non transformed saiyan, or a deliberate move like what Vegeta implied he would do to goku in his ape form. If Beets had survived in a way like that and been killed and eaten by Paragus though, they couldnt have reused his clothes most likely.

Though to entertain the thought, I think a better idea would have been to force Beets to turn into a great ape, THEN kill him and eat him.

that is a lot of meat to last you a while, and seems like a reasonable strategy if we are to entertain the idea.

[Terez]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

We eat other species, but we dont often eat each other outside of lunatics, serial killers, cults etc

Saying Paragus would eat him because vegeta ate another living being is like saying we'd cannibalise other humans because we eat other animals.

And a lot of animals can talk in this series so that's not really a factor.

You are misrepresenting my argument.

[AnimeNation101]

Toriyama changed Beerus persona because it was too dark for him, stated TOEI's original of Bardock was too intense because it was unlike his Dragonball and people think he will hint at cannibalism here?

Yeah, tbh. I’d assume they just lived off of the spider creatures and green dogs

[TheRed259]

Vegeta Vs Broly new footage:
https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 7047708672

9 days left...

[Chuquita]

Vegeta Vs Broly new footage:
https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 7047708672

9 days left...

That looks so good!!

[Noah]

Toriyama changed Beerus persona because it was too dark for him, stated TOEI's original of Bardock was too intense because it was unlike his Dragonball and people think he will hint at cannibalism here?

Sorry, but this is bullsh*t what Toriyama said about Bardock is that he never though of a character story with so depth on his series, that's why he homaged him with a panel on his original work.

The Yamamuro-like nose is awful and Dragon Ball doesn't do smiles like that, so I don't see how they're nitpicks.

What about Super Vegeta?

What’s wrong with that? Canon simply means something that is created by it’s original author. Gogeta in this case has been re-written and re-designed by Toriyama himself. Therefore, by the power of the dictionary, Gogeta is “Canon”. Wether you, or Toriyama, likes to use that word or not.

By this logic, almost no western comic is canon within its continuity.

Anything official within the franchise can be considered canon until Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha come out and directly state that such and such is the true canon. That's how I see it, anyways.

My thoughts exactly, that's why until then this franchise remains with no official continuity, we can only assume the original 42 volumes are the main story and all the other medias are adaptions and optional sequels.

[Miracles]

Toriyama changed Beerus persona because it was too dark for him, stated TOEI's original of Bardock was too intense because it was unlike his Dragonball and people think he will hint at cannibalism here?

Sorry, but this is bullsh*t what Toriyama said about Bardock is that he never though of a character story with so depth on his series, that's why he homaged him with a panel on his original work.

Akira Toriyama: "When I saw the finished episode, I remember feeling a good bit of admiration. With my works, I prefer lighthearted fare, so I have a tendency to avoid serious material. Even if I had written about the same past, it would have become lighter in tone by far. Thanks to this, I felt as though even Dragon Ball had been given a little bit more depth."

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/tidbits/the-h ... f-bardock/

Toriyama changed Beerus persona because it was too dark for him, stated TOEI's original of Bardock was too intense because it was unlike his Dragonball and people think he will hint at cannibalism here?

Yeah, tbh. I’d assume they just lived off of the spider creatures and green dogs

Me too. Even Vegeta was eating bugs, no reason to assume they wouldn't eat those spiders too.

[mahakaishin1991]

Goku and Vegeta have both eaten talking creatures they've killed. In Vegeta's case, it's not verified that they were talking creatures but it's pretty obvious; they might even qualify as ningen (whereas in Goku's case, the octopus monster probably does not count as ningen, but he did have a conversation with the monster before he killed and ate it). It's not a big leap to cannibalism from there, especially in a dire situation like on Vampa. IMO Paragus would have definitely eaten him.

We eat other species, but we dont often eat each other outside of lunatics, serial killers, cults etc

Saying Paragus would eat him because vegeta ate another living being is like saying we'd cannibalise other humans because we eat other animals.

And a lot of animals can talk in this series so that's not really a factor.

You are misrepresenting my argument.

Hardly. There is a difference between eating other intelligent species and eating your own species. We even do this with comparatively intelligent animals (whales and dolphins come to mind) so it’s not about intelligence or communication.

It is still a big jump from there to cannibalism, and we have no evidence to suggest saiyan a eat other saiyans.