Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
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Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Early on Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta explained that Hybrid Saiyans have "mighty power" which clarifies as to why Gohan, Goten and Trunks were able to turn Super Saiyan without any hassle whatsoever. However, should not Pure Saiyans be the superior Saiyans since they had pure blood than mixed blood with another race (Humans in this case)?
To be fair, Hybrid Saiyans are somewhat stronger but can't necessarily get stronger like Pure Saiyans.. or something like it.
To be fair, Hybrid Saiyans are somewhat stronger but can't necessarily get stronger like Pure Saiyans.. or something like it.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
I personally figured the more emotion-driven nature of humans drove them harder when training, which certainly helped Gohan a couple of time. I think there was also an element of "they just so happen to be exceptionally gifted" at play as well.
Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
There's an element of human potential that is seen in the series but never really elaborated on.
I mean, all Saiyans in the series seem to have a basis of ki-control. Flying, shooting energy blasts etc. On the other hand, 99.999% of humans don't even seem to realize it exists and only a small handful really master it. But the ones who do train in ki-control seem to have pretty tremendous growth. They might have been a step behind or two behind Goku but it didn't really become ridiculous until Super Saiyan was introduced. I would love to see something the series that allowed Kuririn, Ten, Yamcha et al to catch up and become relevant in conflicts again but that absolutely isn't going to happen.
I mean, all Saiyans in the series seem to have a basis of ki-control. Flying, shooting energy blasts etc. On the other hand, 99.999% of humans don't even seem to realize it exists and only a small handful really master it. But the ones who do train in ki-control seem to have pretty tremendous growth. They might have been a step behind or two behind Goku but it didn't really become ridiculous until Super Saiyan was introduced. I would love to see something the series that allowed Kuririn, Ten, Yamcha et al to catch up and become relevant in conflicts again but that absolutely isn't going to happen.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
I don't know if they are stronger than pure Saiyans but they do seem to gain strength faster.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Stronger? Eh.
Greater potential and greater ease of accessing power? Yes. As has been demonstrated ever since Gohan used Headbutt on Raditz, and it being super effective.
Greater potential and greater ease of accessing power? Yes. As has been demonstrated ever since Gohan used Headbutt on Raditz, and it being super effective.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. But I dunno about the greater potential.Jackalope89 wrote:Stronger? Eh.
Greater potential and greater ease of accessing power? Yes. As has been demonstrated ever since Gohan used Headbutt on Raditz, and it being super effective.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Hybrid vigor, its a real life phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
But not all hybrids do well in the wild.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
S-Cells. The Hybrids we've seen so far throughout the series have all grown up on Earth, which Toriyama has stated contributes to the growth of S-Cells, due to the gentle nature of the planet. S-Cells can also just be inherited through genetics, which is why Hybrids had such an easier time going Super Saiyan. I imagine S-Cells also increase battle power, as Toriyama also stated that a certain amount of battle power is needed to achieve Super Saiyan as well. Seeing as Gohan stopped training after the Cell Saga and Goten went Super Saiyan, it's not too far of a stretch.
Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
From my personal observations of how similar-looking many Saiyans are, I speculate there's a large amount of inbreeding going on in the more limited sayan gene pool. By reproducing with a human, the gene's would have much much variation, there for the best dominant traits from both species tended to come out stronger.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Humans look similar too. But I can see your logic.
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Makes sense. Vegeta being so proud of being a Saiyan, you'd think he'd try to be a purist but how? The only remaining Saiyans were him and Son Goku so he went for the next best thing: A human female.ZodaEX wrote:From my personal observations of how similar-looking many Saiyans are, I speculate there's a large amount of inbreeding going on in the more limited sayan gene pool. By reproducing with a human, the gene's would have much much variation, there for the best dominant traits from both species tended to come out stronger.
Maybe Chichi would have been more suitable to procreate with Vegeta so in that case Trunks wouldn't have purple hair and he'd look nearly identical or identical to his father. Now that I think about it, purple haired Gohan/Goten.. that'd be weird.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Actually having seen the new Broly movie there is quite a diversity in looks for the Saiyans.
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Can you describe it better?Hulk10 wrote:Actually having seen the new Broly movie there is quite a diversity in looks for the Saiyans.
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Well..... The Saiyans had different facial designs, different hairstyles and different heights. They looked different. Some had spiky hair, some didn't. Some had prominent chins others didn't.JohnnyCashKami wrote:Can you describe it better?Hulk10 wrote:Actually having seen the new Broly movie there is quite a diversity in looks for the Saiyans.

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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Human and Saiyan genes simply mix well since they're so biologically similar.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Mostly plot convenience. I mean this isn't an In-Universe thread





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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
Kid Boo was reborn as a human boy and now Tao Pai Pai was given his chance as a Saiyan.Hulk10 wrote:Well..... The Saiyans had different facial designs, different hairstyles and different heights. They looked different. Some had spiky hair, some didn't. Some had prominent chins others didn't.

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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
I don't see the humor in that joke.JohnnyCashKami wrote:Kid Boo was reborn as a human boy and now Tao Pai Pai was given his chance as a Saiyan.Hulk10 wrote:Well..... The Saiyans had different facial designs, different hairstyles and different heights. They looked different. Some had spiky hair, some didn't. Some had prominent chins others didn't.
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Re: Why are Hybrid Saiyans stronger than Pure Saiyans?
That's fine. I'm guessing you're more of a GT fan than DB. Dragon Ball is hugely underappreciated.Hulk10 wrote:I don't see the humor in that joke.