Vic Mignogna

[KBABZ]

Well that's...unexpected. Didn't they already have him invited once before and then de-invited him?

I can't imagine this going over too well in the grand scheme of things. While I'm sure there will be a ton of fans that will be happy to see him, there's also going to be a ton who are going to be livid. Not to mention, uh...I'd imagine Marchi's probably not going to the con (she's one of the angels in Super now I believe, but she's never had a major DB role), but Monica probably is as she's Bulma, right? This could end very, very poorly.

I expect more than a few female guests to pull out of Kamehacon over this news, and I hope they do to send a message that they find this unacceptable.

[JulieYBM]

Jesus Christ. Fuck corporations.

[KBABZ]

Jesus Christ. Fuck corporations.

???

[SaiyaSith]

Jesus Christ. Fuck corporations.

It's not about corporations, it's about contracts.

[Scsigs]

This cannot be real. What the flipping fuck is this?

Business is business. I don't know what else to tell ya. Obviously, they deemed it important that he be reinvited, otherwise they wouldn't have.

[Shaddy]

That's pretty fucking dumb of them. Did they think everyone just forgot about it? Pretend they're not inviting him until they think it's "blown over", then just get right back on their bullshit? If that's the case, that's pretty transparently cynical and manipulative.

Otherwise...well, there's probably someone more specific behind it.

[Scsigs]

That's pretty fucking dumb of them. Did they think everyone just forgot about it? Pretend they're not inviting him until they think it's "blown over", then just get right back on their bullshit?

No, but this is how this shit goes sometimes. I mean, Channel Awesome is still trudging on even though, by all accounts, THEY should be a dead company from the fallout they incurred (which, I'd argue, was even worse than Vic's) & Doug Walker should be a relic of a bygone era of internet video reviews, but nope! Still getting invited to cons, still making & posting videos, & still doing what they've been doing despite their higher-ups being massive pricks. However, these things remain whether we like it or not.

[Kataphrut]

So placing bets that the next announcement will be "Monica Rial is no longer attending Kamehacon." Followed by "Chris Sabat is no longer attending Kamehacon". Followed by "We have literally no guests now because everyone else pulled out, seriously what the fuck were we thinking?"

Like, I don't know if they're trying to make some sort of statement (Geekdom has already tweeted to say he wasn't involved so nobody try and get up him about it) or think the majority of fans are on his "side" or something, but they have to realise how stupid that is. Like, even if some little gremlin on the organising board is secretly a pro-Vic and wants to rock the boat, surely they have to realise like 80% of this con's guest list are other English voice actors who aren't going to stand for it.

[DanielSSJ]

Well that's fucking disgusting. I wasn't going KamehaCon anyways, but if I was, I'd definitely be reconsidering right about now.

[Shaddy]

So placing bets that the next announcement will be "Monica Rial is no longer attending Kamehacon." Followed by "Chris Sabat is no longer attending Kamehacon". Followed by "We have literally no guests now because everyone else pulled out, seriously what the fuck were we thinking?"

Like, I don't know if they're trying to make some sort of statement (Geekdom has already tweeted to say he wasn't involved so nobody try and get up him about it) or think the majority of fans are on his "side" or something, but they have to realise how stupid that is. Like, even if some little gremlin on the organising board is secretly a pro-Vic and wants to rock the boat, surely they have to realise like 80% of this con's guest list are other English voice actors who aren't going to stand for it.

That's an optimistic take on the other actors at best. He has fellow actors that unfortunately support his shitty antics as well. I don't doubt that many will still go and claim "neutrality" despite that doing so is basically just enabling the man anyway.

[JulieYBM]

Jesus Christ. Fuck corporations.

It's not about corporations, it's about contracts.

This cannot be real. What the flipping fuck is this?

Business is business. I don't know what else to tell ya. Obviously, they deemed it important that he be reinvited, otherwise they wouldn't have.

Don't "Them's the breaks, kid" me. "Well, we HAD to invite the proven-to-act-upon-impulses pedophile to our convention because CONTRACTS" is in no way a defensible position. You'd have to be stupid to think this has anything to do with the corporation that owns Kameha Con acting upon principle. They think that hosting a piece of shit human being who assaults his colleagues and underage fans for over twenty years will make them a buck and that's all that matters.

Capitalism is a cancer.

[KBABZ]

(Geekdom has already tweeted to say he wasn't involved so nobody try and get up him about it)

Much as I disagree with his YouTube conduct, I'm glad he's been clear on this subject.

[Fionordequester]

No, but this is how this shit goes sometimes. I mean, Channel Awesome is still trudging on even though, by all accounts, THEY should be a dead company from the fallout they incurred (which, I'd argue, was even worse than Vic's) & Doug Walker should be a relic of a bygone era of internet video reviews, but nope! Still getting invited to cons, still making & posting videos, & still doing what they've been doing despite their higher-ups being massive pricks. However, these things remain whether we like it or not.

That one... well, that one's a little more complicated. Doug Walker himself may be fine, but that's because public perception says he wasn't directly involved with any of what happened , and/or he's helpless to do anything since the CEO owned the rights to his character... Of course, that's highly questionable when they DID have a company vote in any major decisions, but...well, most people don't know that tidbit.

As for Channel Awesome the site, it's still sustained heavy damage from everything that happened. Most of it's talent left, and it's forums have STILL not come back up.

It may not have gotten what it deserved, but it's certainly selling the effects of fan backlash.

[Shaddy]

Don't "Them's the breaks, kid" me. "Well, we HAD to invite the proven-to-act-upon-impulses pedophile to our convention because CONTRACTS" is in no way a defensible position. You'd have to be stupid to think this has anything to do with the corporation that owns Kameha Con acting upon principle. They think that hosting a piece of shit human being who assaults his colleagues and underage fans for over twenty years will make them a buck and that's all that matters.

Capitalism is a cancer.

Okay I feel like taking this to the "CAPITALISM did this!" angle is actually taking blame off of whoever did it. That's basically saying "society made him this way!". I was mostly being facetious when I suggested that Kamehacon somehow "planned" this, it was more than likely a malicious or selfish supporter or friend of Vic's pulling strings to get him back out of a sick sense of respect or affinity (or delusion, like most of his stans). That stuff wouldn't go away if you took money out of the equation. I mean, money was also most likely the reason Vic was fired in the first place, because Funi figured that monetarily supporting a now well-known con creep wasn't in their best interest as a company. But you can't say that invalidates the efforts of the victims headlining the campaign, or that their statement that his actions and attitude were against the spirit of the industry and the community was totally hollow.

Which isn't to say you're necessarily wrong, but we only just got this news, you can't say for certain it was for specifically greed rather than a general lack of respect for people's boundaries versus "he did my favorite cartoooon voice". If other actors really do start pulling out and Kamehacon suddenly flips right around and says "OKAY NEVERMIND HE'S BANNED AGAIN", then yeah, they're probably spineless, money-grubbing and sleazy. Otherwise, I think it's still more likely that someone he had connections to pulled strings and "persuaded" the people running the con.

Regardless, I think taking the conversation to economic and political structures when he has this many blind idiots supporting him with no money to gain is a little sideways.

[SaiyaSith]

Don't "Them's the breaks, kid" me. "Well, we HAD to invite the proven-to-act-upon-impulses pedophile to our convention because CONTRACTS" is in no way a defensible position. You'd have to be stupid to think this has anything to do with the corporation that owns Kameha Con acting upon principle. They think that hosting a piece of shit human being who assaults his colleagues and underage fans for over twenty years will make them a buck and that's all that matters.

Capitalism is a cancer.

I've been watching the whole situation from afar. Vic is suing voice actors, cons, and people online who are involved with the situation. His lawyer has been on the youtube channel "Rekieta Law" recently and has said that all the voice actor's attending KamehaCon have legally binding contracts and KamehaCon probably doesn't want to be sued. Vic also has the support of the majority of fans who don't believe the accusations, so I'm sure that also factored into it.

[MajinMan]

This is a problem on multiple levels. Inviting Vic back is obviously stupid, but now there’s going to be possible tension during the con between fans and other actors. Did they really not think this through?

[Kunzait_83]

No, but this is how this shit goes sometimes. I mean, Channel Awesome is still trudging on even though, by all accounts, THEY should be a dead company from the fallout they incurred (which, I'd argue, was even worse than Vic's) & Doug Walker should be a relic of a bygone era of internet video reviews, but nope! Still getting invited to cons, still making & posting videos, & still doing what they've been doing despite their higher-ups being massive pricks. However, these things remain whether we like it or not.

So much for all of that "meritocracy" and "the cream rises to the top" and "only the best are rewarded" and "survival of the fittest" Libertarian-esque social Darwinian philosophy that many of the very same online dipshits in internet geek spaces who make countless crackpot Youtube videos defending guys like Migogna often ramble on and on and on and on about in their other meanderings.

Note how its often conveniently only ever "Sink or swim! Fight or die! If you can't hack it, that's too bad, no one's giving you a handout! Dog eat dog world!" largely and most prominently whenever it comes to helping out women, gay/trans people, and ethnic minorities with genuinely serious, oftentimes life or death issues.

But when it comes to failed, talentless, socially awkward, and charisma-void whitebread suburban chucklefucks who've never once added a single worthwhile thing to the pop cultural discourse like the Walker Brothers seemingly getting a total free-pass to just soldier on like nothing's nothing despite an avalanche of unmitigated failures, grotesque scandals, and flagrant business incompetence that would and should completely tank most ANY OTHER media venture?

Fucking. Crickets. Not a PEEP from ANY of these would-be macho-man internet tough guys about how unfair it is that guys like the Walkers get to keep their failed online brand afloat through failure after failure after failure after failure. Not a single "Why should THEY get to just keep on keeping on even though they've totally fucking FAILED in the business world? This isn't a welfare state!" Youtube rant from some acne-scarred dude in a fedora with a cracking, nasally voice and an anime waifu pillow cradled next to his junk. Not even so much as a BLIP of genuine backlash from the same internet hate mob that claims that its "unfair favoritism in the media in general" that gets them so foaming at the mouth.

Oh, but guys like the Walkers are a couple of nerdy, shrill, socially-dimwitted, upper-middle class white guys who do nothing but sit around on a comfy couch watching godawful, intellectually and emotionally bankrupt children's cartoons and movies all day long and making brain-damaged commentary about them (and making money and getting semi-famous doing it, thus living out the personal fantasy of much of their audience).

EXACTLY LIKE most of the Youtube and 4chan trolling halfwits who will - within the same breath of totally overlooking when guys who look and act/sound just like themselves get a free pass to fail and faceplant over and over and over and over again, totally consequence-free - go on the fucking warpath against the "scourge of the SJWs" the microsecond that a female or dark-skinned person anywhere catches the slightest hint of popularity or exposure for something they've made or receives so much as a pittance of human empathy in the public eye for even the most fucked up critical of hardships. THAT'S why its all kosher.

Ok, got it. Whew. For a second there, I thought these people might just be total, unapologetic hypocrites grasping desperately at weak-sauce excuses and contorted pretzel logic to thinly mask over and avoid taking any kind of personal responsibility and ownership for their own disgusting, vomit-inducingly retrograde and emotionally/psychologically-stunted worldviews and personal prejudices or something crazy like that.

[louisascommie]

I dont know if geekdom is involved but I wouldn't give him the benifit of the doubt as geekdom has been on the anti sjw train for a while, and he called someone the R word today.

[Shaddy]

I'm not super familiar with geekdom. I've heard him say the word "retarded" before as you describe (I don't think there's much point to referencing it with the first letter if everyone knows it anyway, we're adults here), but what else has he done that sticks out as him being an "anti-sjw" type?

[louisascommie]

I'm not super familiar with geekdom. I've heard him say the word "retarded" before as you describe (I don't think there's much point to referencing it with the first letter if everyone knows it anyway, we're adults here), but what else has he done that sticks out as him being an "anti-sjw" type?

I figured the R word is something a lot of people had in their vocabulary until just a few years ago, I know I only stopped around then.