Why didn't they use fusion against Kid Buu?

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:26 pm

Why didn't Goku and Vegeta even there powers up and do the fusion dance against Kid Buu, rather than having a close call to dying. In Movie 12, they versed someone just as powerful as Kid Buu and they ended up summoning Gogeta. Super Gogeta could obliterate Kid Buu in less then 30 secons, as he did with Super Janemba without trying. I understand how Akira Torryama wanted to make the ending of the series more dramati, but still... Why?

Post by **Herms** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:28 pm

The same reason they rejected using the potara again: they wanted to fight against Buu one-on-one. They explained their whole reasoning behind this to Kaioshin.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:31 pm

But it was so hard, and it was such a struggle. That's so selfish. I mean they couldv'e died, and one-on-one wasn't really working. They couldv'e avoided all that effort.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:32 pm

Movie 12 aside, would Vegeta really humiliate himself by performing the Fusion Dance? Selfish? That's Goku for ya'.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:34 pm

That's exactly it. Movie 12! I mean its not like Goku asked and Vegeta said NO, Goku didn't even consitter it. I mean the audience gets that suspence moment w/ the spirit bomb. When if the spirit bomb failed, they couldv'e just used fusion! So it really wasn't dramatic at all!

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:41 pm

So he's willing to sacrifice his life, but he's not willing on the honor of the need to fuse cause he couldn't handle it himslef? What?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:47 pm

Toriyama was pulling for a Goku victory.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:55 pm

SatoSky wrote:Movie 12 aside, would Vegeta really humiliate himself by performing the Fusion Dance? Selfish? That's Goku for ya'.

Ultimate DBZ wrote:So he's willing to sacrifice his life, but he's not willing on the honor of the need to fuse cause he couldn't handle it himslef? What?

Say what?

Vegeta is an egotistical bastard. Would he let himself be killed rather than be humiliated? Quite possibly.

Raki wrote:Toriyama was pulling for a Goku victory.

More likely than not, it was his editors and the fans pulling for a Goku victory. I think Toriyama was pulling for a Gohan victory, once again. Though honestly, I haven't watched those episodes in many years.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:22 pm

Vegeta wouldv'e said NO, that much I understand. But GOKU didn't even ask, GOKU didn't want to do it. Whatever Toryama was pulling for, he could have made more sense, like maybe Goku wanted to fuse but couldn't because Vegeta was too weak at the time, but not even suggesting it at all?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:31 pm

It also would have been the third fusion for the Boo arc, and the second fusion for Goku and Vegeta.

Things would get a little repetitive.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:34 pm

Again, I understand the reason why Torryama would want it to end that way, really, I do. It makes perfect sense. But he made it so that they had the ability to fuse and made the chanches of them winning 1 of 10,000. He shouldv'e made it so that they couldn't fuse.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:26 am

Now I understand more clearly what you're getting at. Maybe Toriyama was just sick of it and wanted to end it as soon as possible?

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:53 am

I heard during the buu saga, he hated working on Dragonball.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:32 am

He had intended to end it a few times prior to the Buu Saga, but fan outcry and Toei's pressuring kept him going. When it came to the Buu Saga though, he decided enough was enough, and basically just decided that the final fight was going to be a one-on-one, near even fight, with no fancy fusions or anything along those lines.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:31 am

How would Goku and Vegeta fuse? They crushed the Potara's and Vegeta didn't know the dance. Goku even said later that destroying the Potara like he had may have been a mistake. So he was considering fusion. But there's the fact that Vegeta has never learned or seen the dance. Ever. And Kid Buu's not going to just give him time to learn it.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:55 am

Xyex wrote:How would Goku and Vegeta fuse? They crushed the Potara's and Vegeta didn't know the dance. Goku even said later that destroying the Potara like he had may have been a mistake. So he was considering fusion. But there's the fact that Vegeta has never learned or seen the dance. Ever. And Kid Buu's not going to just give him time to learn it.

Well, Buu did fall asleep while they were figuring out what to do...

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:09 pm

Goku never said that!

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:29 pm

Gokuu did in fact question whether destroying the potaras was a mistake, after he fired off the Kamehameha that blew Chibi Buu apart, but prior to Bejiita stepping in to give Gokuu time to re-gather his ki.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:10 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:Gokuu did in fact question whether destroying the potaras was a mistake, after he fired off the Kamehameha that blew Chibi Buu apart, but prior to Bejiita stepping in to give Gokuu time to re-gather his ki.

DId they say that in the English or Japanese version?

warcrack · Post by **warcrack** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:52 pm

Xyex wrote:How would Goku and Vegeta fuse? They crushed the Potara's and Vegeta didn't know the dance. Goku even said later that destroying the Potara like he had may have been a mistake. So he was considering fusion. But there's the fact that Vegeta has never learned or seen the dance. Ever. And Kid Buu's not going to just give him time to learn it.

DBZ, Volume 26, p.61:

Goku: ...but there's one other way!

Vegeta: Another fusion, right?! I know the whole thing!

Goku: You do?

Vegeta: I saw it all... and there's no way... I will ever do that preposterous dance!! And I'll never combine with you again anyway!