Cell's structure.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:53 pm

Cell was prideful, sure, but so was #17, Freeza and most of the other bad guys in the series. It's not exactly a trait exclusive to Saiya-jin.

I suppose you could argue that Cell's desire to fight with strong opponents was related to his Saiya-jin DNA, but lots of non-Saiya-jin characters enjoy fighting, too.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:12 am

Okay I've done some manga and anime reserch and this is what I've found.

According to the anime Roshi felt "others too" besides the main ones mentioned already, but knowing the cry of filler was going to come from this I did some manga searching (thank God for Shonen Jump).

According to Cell the SAME device used to monitor them collected the DNA - therefore while its never stated exactly what DNA is in there besides the main ones mentioned its possible to have more.

Moreover I think the Taiyo Ken was learned from the insects witnessing it, Cell was talked to by the computer watching ove rhim (hence how he learned who he must merge with to become perfect form). Wether by DNA, or simply by computer information given to him he DID most likely get Taiyo Ken and Kienzan from Tenshinhan and Krillin respectively - although because they didnt scream their names too I suspect while they were taken from them it was in the form of information - NOT DNA.

As for Cells prideful combat lust - it definatly came from Saiyan cells. The particulars of this pride are remarkably Saiyan. You see most of the villains do carry a pride yes. Freeza prided himself on being the best but he did not much want to use force himself - he rather used minions unless it was necessary for him to do the fighting. Yet for Saiyans, no enemy is to weak to show off your strength too - seen very easily in the Saiyan saga of DBZ. Cell clearly outclassed them all in perfect form at least before Gohans transformation. So by the nature he wanted to test himself - this is ultimatly a Saiyan trait - he knew it but he wanted to test it. Freeza never felt a need to test it he just "knew it" - same went for the androids and Buu. Ah but the Saiyans and Cell while they knew it as well they desired to proove it - this is how I can tell Cell got his attitude from the Saiyan cells in him.

As for physical appearance - its a mesh of so many DNA's that not one is clearly dominant - hes green but his structure is much diffrent than a Namekian one - their green skin was more webbed and layered wheras Cells was speckled.

And thats my thoughts on the matter.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:48 am

laserkid wrote:As for Cells prideful combat lust - it definatly came from Saiyan cells. The particulars of this pride are remarkably Saiyan. You see most of the villains do carry a pride yes. Freeza prided himself on being the best but he did not much want to use force himself - he rather used minions unless it was necessary for him to do the fighting.

Vegeta did, too. He allowed the Saibamen and Nappa to kill most of the humans and Piccolo on Earth. Vegeta was also passive while Nappa fought Goku, and probably wouldn't have intervened had Nappa been able to defeat him.

laserkid wrote:Yet for Saiyans, no enemy is to weak to show off your strength too - seen very easily in the Saiyan saga of DBZ.

Eh? Vegeta and Nappa first used Saibamen against their opponents on Earth. Had the Saibamen been successful, the Saiya-jin never would have bothered with Piccolo and the others at all.

laserkid wrote:Cell clearly outclassed them all in perfect form at least before Gohans transformation. So by the nature he wanted to test himself - this is ultimatly a Saiyan trait - he knew it but he wanted to test it. Freeza never felt a need to test it he just "knew it" - same went for the androids and Buu. Ah but the Saiyans and Cell while they knew it as well they desired to proove it - this is how I can tell Cell got his attitude from the Saiyan cells in him.

Freeza was presumably considered "the strongest in the universe" for most of his life, so he wouldn't have any reason to test his strength. Cell had only recently achieved the "ultimate" power in his Perfect form, so it makes sense that he'd be interested in testing it against strong opponents. It might be a personality quirk he inherited from his Saiya-jin DNA, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion unless Cell stated that specifically.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:10 am

Why would Cell state it specifically? O.o

as for the Saibamen, good point I had forgotten about them. Never the less - Raditz had no particular problem fighting head on although knowing his superiority he enjoyed proving it - so did Nappa when he fought. As did Vegeta when he fought.

When Freeza fought he had no such must proove it intentions until Goku managed to rattle his self confidence. Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta all had a must proove it attitude LONG before they were getting beaten down - just a Saiyan trait to show off when fighting.

Cell also had to "show off" he had no reason to throw the Cell Games other than to test himself - again a Saiyan trait.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:38 am

laserkid wrote:as for the Saibamen, good point I had forgotten about them. Never the less - Raditz had no particular problem fighting head on although knowing his superiority he enjoyed proving it - so did Nappa when he fought. As did Vegeta when he fought.

True. But #17 and #18 also seemed to enjoy themselves and showed off when they fought weaker opponents, as did Freeza and even Yamucha during the fight with the Saibamen.

laserkid wrote:Cell also had to "show off" he had no reason to throw the Cell Games other than to test himself - again a Saiyan trait.

It wasn't really practical for Buu to sit around for a little while waiting for Goten and Trunks, either -- he just hoped that he would have the opportunity to fight a strong opponent.

IIRC, Cell basically stated that he was testing to see whether or not anyone on Earth could defeat him. Buu never really articulated himself that clearly, but he did appear very interested in the prospect of fighting a strong opponent, and was even willing to wait for that chance. It doesn't really seem to be something limited to Saiya-jin. I do agree, though, that Cell was probably exhibiting Saiya-jin personality traits -- but I don't think that they're dramatically different from "ordinary super strong bad guy traits".

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:52 am

I suppose so - still Cell seemed to have more of a Saiyan type of it if you get what I mean - there weree diffrences enough for me to believe that - mainly in the WAY he was doing it - he went out of his way to wait for them to be at their best to fight so he could show how strong he was. Freeza certainly did NOT want to do this - neither did the androids. Buu TRIED to wait but ultimatly was impatient.

TGDweezl · Post by **TGDweezl** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:27 am

Cell did want to Gohan to show him his hidden power. He wanted to test Gohan's limits and see if a mere 11 year old half Saiya-jin was his ultimate opponent which Goku strongly believed Gohan was. I think the Pride had to do with that so Cell did show a lot of Saiya-jin Pride.

Also, Cell acted somewhat like when Nappa and Vegeta when they arrived on Earth. They used Saibamen to test their opponents limits like Cell tested Gohan with the Cell Jrs. attacking his friends/family. It could be sheer arrogance that made Vegeta/Nappa/Cell use underlings to test the waters of combat.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:25 pm

Excellent points all there - you better articulated what I've been trying to say all along here - thanks ^^;

Cell didnt HAVE to push Gohan he could have just snubbed him there - its what Freeza, and Buu would have done. The Androids wouldn't have done that since he wasnt Goku, but its likely they would ha ve beaten him senseless - and the Androids of Trunks' future DID kill him, they didnt wait for him to find more power before killing him, they just did it.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:42 pm

But they didn't realise that future Gohan had "hidden potential".

Cell letting Gohan power-up could just be another aspect of the whole "I am perfect, therefore I can beat anyone, so get as strong as you want, I'll still beat you" attitude. Which is probably Saiyan influenced, but not definitely.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:50 pm

TGDweezl wrote:Cell did want to Gohan to show him his hidden power. He wanted to test Gohan's limits and see if a mere 11 year old half Saiya-jin was his ultimate opponent which Goku strongly believed Gohan was. I think the Pride had to do with that so Cell did show a lot of Saiya-jin Pride.

Yes, but there have also been times when non-Saiya-jin characters gave their opponents opportunities/time to become stronger. Furthermore, there have been times when Saiya-jin characters didn't bother doing that and just killed their enemies. When Gohan demonstrated an enormous amount of energy on Earth, Nappa didn't try to test Gohan's abilities -- he just tried to kill him. Similar with Radditz.

I would attribute Cell's behavior to the fact that he believed his "Perfect" form couldn't be surpassed by anyone. Testing to see how powerful Gohan could become was a game for Cell, since he thought it wasn't possible to go beyond his level of power.

Personally, I think Cell acted more like Vegeta specifically and wasn't exhibiting some kind of generalized Saiya-jin behavior. It's sort of an egomaniac thing more than a definite, predictable Saiya-jin trait.

TGDweezl wrote:Also, Cell acted somewhat like when Nappa and Vegeta when they arrived on Earth. They used Saibamen to test their opponents limits like Cell tested Gohan with the Cell Jrs. attacking his friends/family. It could be sheer arrogance that made Vegeta/Nappa/Cell use underlings to test the waters of combat.

I don't think that those situations are entirely comparable. Vegeta and Nappa wouldn't have cared if the Saibamen had defeated all of their opponents -- that was actually what they assumed would happen. Cell was trying to make Gohan angry by injuring his friends, but he didn't appear to be interested in immediately killing them -- otherwise Yamucha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn would have been dead, since there's no way they could have survived if the Cell Juniors used their full strength.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:52 pm

Dream wreaker

But anyway true, theres no DEFINATE proof - but it seems quite heavily implied with all the things already said in this thread that really don't need re repeating.