Forte224 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:51 am
Nah, they aren't minor. On their own, completely separate from one another, they are minor. But one after another after another after another add up, are annoying, and most of all, are unnecessary. Go look at the difference between Trunks's reaction to #18 confronting him about her death in his future. In Japanese, he's lost for words and doesn't know how to respond, understandably. In English, he smugly responds "Well it was you or mankind so yeah". These types of things subtly alter the presentation of the character and Super is rife with this crap.
Don't defend them, or else you're just as bad as the Blu-ray defenders. Also, "Time for me to make the donuts" was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Get out of here with that meme trash and translate the show while making it not sound awkward in English.
First of all, I'm NOT defending them when it comes to the shit Z products they continually produce. The home releases & the dubs are 2 separate things & each thing they dub is handled by different people, so the quality varies where the translations have a liberal amount of adlibs/changes, or the dubs are pretty 1-1. Dragon Ball Super actually gets off lighter than other properties I've seen them dub, like Dragon Maid, where the script writers for some reason changed one of the main girl's sexuality in the dub for no real reason, but then there's the flipside where One Piece is one of their best dubs right now-hell, ever
with VERY accurate dialogue & on-point acting from the cast every single time. Each was showran & supervised, largely, by different teams of people.
The dub is a different matter entirely. Yes, there are some bad line changes, but I've only found a few that are terribly egregious, honestly. Most of them are completely in-character or are in the spirit of the scene & convey the same meanings as the original lines, like Gowasu explaining the balance of reality to Zamasu. Both ways of putting the scene are entirely valid & the English dub just made it more poetic. Hell, adding lines actually made a scene funnier, in my opinion, like where Goku gets Satan Punched away from Chichi when she saw him about to fight those aliens. Yes, I'm one of the people that found that blatant stupidity funny, mainly because I love random, stupid humor like that & it just accentuated the already-there physical comedy of it. Most of the changes don't impact the story overall & are harmless in the grant scheme of things. Hell, sometimes they spice up what was boring in the Japanese, or make scenes more impactful. At least the ones that don't outright break the moment.
The example you talked about with Trunks & 18, I looked up. They're both almost the same in terms of meaning, only the dub has a bit more personality to it. The dub has Trunks make a retort while the sub has him a bit tongue-tied. Both dubs, however, get the same point across that Trunks is worried about what could happen, but both are valid interpretations of Trunks' personality. The sub has him indecisive on what to say, which makes sense because he just had a shock about finding out she's still alive in this timeline, whereas in the dub, he makes a witty retort to show he's not gonna be a pushover, which he shouldn't because he's stronger than her & killed her already. Both are valid reactions to what's going on in that moment & I see both being well within character. It wasn't smug, it was him showing her he meant business. Rewatch it, there's no sense of smug in his voice & he wasn't exactly quiet in Japanese either, as both are him reacting in fear at seeing her.
When it comes to Hit saying "time to make the donuts," however, I have to give you that one. Granted, I'm pretty sure it was just a reference to the line from Xenoverse 2, rather than the meme it spawned, that Sabat might've taken a liking to. That, however, is a bit of a step too far in the self-referential territory that this dub walks the line of.
If I defend them in SOME areas, but not others, I'm not "as bad as the Blu-Ray defenders." I'm making an informed decision, whereas the BR defenders aren't. They're
the people who don't know what they're talking about here, not me. If you don't show people where they're failing & where they're succeeding, how else are they supposed to learn? Companies are like stupid children/teenagers; they'll try to get away with what they can, or they'll try to do the right thing most of the time, but when they fuck up, that's
when you need to correct them. If it wasn't for the loud section of the fanbase who's had enough of this shit, we wouldn't have gotten the Dragon Boxes & we wouldn't have gotten some of the dub rerecordings they did after initial broadcasts of Super. FUNi admit themselves that the BRs are a result of people voting with their wallets, so if I buy the products I DO like from FUNi & don't buy what I DON'T like, I'm telling them that I want more of this type of thing over another. I like One Piece, I like their dub, I like the DVD & BR sets, I buy them. I hate the DBZ releases, I don't buy them, I tell them WHY I'm not buying them. I have a similar thing with Activision. I don't buy CODBO4 because it's both the same shit as the last several games with a mode changed into a different one & HEAVY on the microtransactions. However, I bought the Crash & Spyro remastered trilogies & Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled to show my support for games like them that are complete, have no microtransactions, & are actually fun to play. Get it? Doing nothing, buying
nothing from them does absolutely nothing to tell them what you want. Companies go with the money & if you show them where the money is, they're correct course, hopefully. It's a think smarter, not harder kind of thing.
And anyways, the whole new Z BRs being a limited, crowd-funded thing is them admitting they know not a lot of fans are gonna wanna rebuy the entire series for the Nth time, so they limit it to 6,000 copies at max because they know only collectors & hardcore fans will buy it. They tried to amend some
of the things from the past releases some people had issues with (the cropping, the brightness, etc), but they didn't fix the inherent problems in their remastering style, so they didn't sell out the entire 6,000 copies, only around 4,500. Enough to get them produced, but hopefully so little that they know, especially with the backlash they've gotten, that it's not good enough. We're basically getting baby steps with them. Hopefully the next set in 20?? will remove the terrible grain removal in favor for a better solution. After THAT, I'll buy the sets. It's shit that I'll have to wait THAT long to actually buy a GOOD set for Z so I'd be able to watch the show in its original format for the first time all the way through & not just the later chunks, but I'll pay for it then. Til then, I'll keep going with my philosophy.