The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[p-hyvo]

Do you think that Golden Cooler as a form (being the Ultimate Evolution on top of the Fourth Form) is superior to Golden Freeza (Resurrection F) which was slightly superior to SSJB at the time.

If so, is Golden Cooler superior even to True Golden Freeza?

In my mind I have the regular Golden Freeza being the result of combining the 50% Final Form with the Ultimate Evolution and True Golden Freeza being the 100% variant. Which means that as FORMS I place True Golden Freeza as 2× Golden Freeza.

We know that Cooler in his Fourth Form had a PL of 470.000.000 (nearly 4 times stronger than his brother at 100% Final). As such, say that by this time Goku as a SSJ has grown twice as strong and seeing how 50% Final Cooler dealt the Kaio Ken ×20, he is probably in the same level as Freeza at 100% Final on Namek.

Ultimately, should Cooler be on Namek he would be equal to Freeza, or should Freeza was still alive he would probably be at Cooler's league. As such, a weakened SSJ Goku agaisnt Fourth Form Cooler fairs out decently.

Ultimately, from my point of view Golden Cooler=2× True Golden Freeza=4× Golden Freeza.

Freeza was a fool for never training and obtaning the Fourth Form to stack the Ultimate Evolution on it. What do you think?

Because if that is the case could Golden Cooler fair out against Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta and True Golden Freeza at the same time? (Seeing the three are nearly equals).

Golden cooler is from dbh.
Everyone from dbh is muliversal by scaling.
Golden cooler stomps anyone from dbs effortlessly

No that's not my point. Say that it is a version of Cooler from DBS. I dont want to mix power levels. Only multipliers.

Ok, got that.
If golden cooler woud appear in dbs, I can thing I him being ssbkk tier, maybe kk10 or 20.
Being honest, that power level you gave for him in z can't work at all, like every other pl from vjump. It's just incoherent with everything, with the movie itself too.
In the movie, cooler facing base goku (no kaioken ) says he can see how he beated freezer, so I'd says

Freezer 120
Base goku (movie 5) 145
Cooler 4th form 130

Then, goku goes kk20, but still cooler stomps him in his 5th form

Goku kk20 2'900
5th form cooler 3'900

Then, goku is wounded and goes ssj

Goku, wounded 110
Ssj goku 5'500
Cooler supernova 4'700

I do like this to scale him, just don't trust vjump in.matter of power levels.
The fact they gave m8 broly a power level higher that the one of ssj3 but saga goku speaks for itself in the matter of how trustworthy they are

[Zamasu55]

Pick a team of Broli, Jiren, Top and Kafla and the Core Area Warriors can be beaten. Hearts is probably the only one that can beat Broli and Jiren.

In the game, FP Jiren took them all on, Hearts included.

[Tai Lung]

Dbh characters >>>>>dbs characters.
Doesn't matter the forms, even lowballing they are at least x400 stronger than their dbs counterparts

facts? ...
because heroes is only PS, it does not have feats.

In the game, ccl goku describes base cumber's power as different from the strength of every opponent he had faced. So, base cumber>>>jiren dbs.
On top of that, cumber goes ssj3, so it is x400. And that would be an overkill even for Broly (dbs)
Base cumber in the anime beats the hell out of ssb kaioken vegetto, who's (lowballing) tens to hundreds of times stronger than ssb goku, depending on what kaioken he was using ( anyway, it is or vanilla kaioken or x10 kaioken, it can't be x20 kaioken because in x20 the hair gets a lighter colour)

that does not change the facts goku ui omen (anime/manga) defeat it quite easily which did not have much difference with kefla
the game only lacks context to take the dialogues in that way

[Dragon Ball Gus]

SSJ Full Power Goku (Cell Games) vs A Hypothetical SSJ Full Power Vegeta (Cell Games)

[p-hyvo]

SSJ Full Power Goku (Cell Games) vs A Hypothetical SSJ Full Power Vegeta (Cell Games)

Ssjfp=ssj as a multiplier, so goku wins

[Koitsukai]

Strongest version of Buu absorbs (somehow) Jiren and goes after MUI Beerus.

Buu (Jiren Absorbed) vs MUI Beerus

[p-hyvo]

Strongest version of Buu absorbs (somehow) Jiren and goes after MUI Beerus.

Buu (Jiren Absorbed) vs MUI Beerus

Jiren-buu.
Ui boosts significantly only the saiyans

[Koitsukai]

Which one could do better?

Z MUI Goku or Z Omen Goku vs Z SS3 Vegito

[p-hyvo]

Which one could do better?

Z MUI Goku or Z Omen Goku vs Z SS3 Vegito

Vegetto if we stack omen/mui on ssj3

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJ Full Power Goku (Cell Games) vs A Hypothetical SSJ Full Power Vegeta (Cell Games)

Vegeta is expressed as having the bigger potential of the two, so he'd probably beat Goku if they both have their SSJ powers drawn to their limits.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Golden cooler is from dbh.
Everyone from dbh is muliversal by scaling.
Golden cooler stomps anyone from dbs effortlessly

No that's not my point. Say that it is a version of Cooler from DBS. I dont want to mix power levels. Only multipliers.

Ok, got that.
If golden cooler woud appear in dbs, I can thing I him being ssbkk tier, maybe kk10 or 20.
Being honest, that power level you gave for him in z can't work at all, like every other pl from vjump. It's just incoherent with everything, with the movie itself too.
In the movie, cooler facing base goku (no kaioken ) says he can see how he beated freezer, so I'd says

Freezer 120
Base goku (movie 5) 145
Cooler 4th form 130

Then, goku goes kk20, but still cooler stomps him in his 5th form

Goku kk20 2'900
5th form cooler 3'900

Then, goku is wounded and goes ssj

Goku, wounded 110
Ssj goku 5'500
Cooler supernova 4'700

I do like this to scale him, just don't trust vjump in.matter of power levels.
The fact they gave m8 broly a power level higher that the one of ssj3 but saga goku speaks for itself in the matter of how trustworthy they are

So you are going for a ×30 50% Final Form for the Fifth/Fourth form, or a ×30 100% Final Form? Cooler didn't use the latter in the movie bu in order to go beyond that level, I assume that he considered of using his full power first.

I do agree with the statement that Golden Cooler should be at the realm of power of Blue KK Goku. So in a three way battle, would he defeat Goku Blue, Vegeta Blue and True Golden Freeza (assuming they are all equals after DBS Broly)?

[TobyS]

He would have IT'ed back to Piccolo when he started losing.

Unless Broly was so much stronger he could speedblitz bluegetto there's no way Broly could win.

[p-hyvo]

No that's not my point. Say that it is a version of Cooler from DBS. I dont want to mix power levels. Only multipliers.

Ok, got that.
If golden cooler woud appear in dbs, I can thing I him being ssbkk tier, maybe kk10 or 20.
Being honest, that power level you gave for him in z can't work at all, like every other pl from vjump. It's just incoherent with everything, with the movie itself too.
In the movie, cooler facing base goku (no kaioken ) says he can see how he beated freezer, so I'd says

Freezer 120
Base goku (movie 5) 145
Cooler 4th form 130

Then, goku goes kk20, but still cooler stomps him in his 5th form

Goku kk20 2'900
5th form cooler 3'900

Then, goku is wounded and goes ssj

Goku, wounded 110
Ssj goku 5'500
Cooler supernova 4'700

I do like this to scale him, just don't trust vjump in.matter of power levels.
The fact they gave m8 broly a power level higher that the one of ssj3 but saga goku speaks for itself in the matter of how trustworthy they are

So you are going for a ×30 50% Final Form for the Fifth/Fourth form, or a ×30 100% Final Form? Cooler didn't use the latter in the movie bu in order to go beyond that level, I assume that he considered of using his full power first.

I do agree with the statement that Golden Cooler should be at the realm of power of Blue KK Goku. So in a three way battle, would he defeat Goku Blue, Vegeta Blue and True Golden Freeza (assuming they are all equals after DBS Broly)?

Maybe, cooler's 100% doesn't involve a muscular growth like freezer's, I'd assume that cooler was fighting in his 4th form 100% from the beginning.
Anyway, whatever that was, 50%,70% or 100%, fifth form is easily a x30 on that.
In dbs broly, freezer was confident in the fact he could beat a ssb, but not 2 together. Going by that, I'd say

Goku 1
God 500
Ssb 25'000
Freezer ff 70% 490
Golden Freezer 29'400

[Koitsukai]

Multiverse Majin Son Bra vs Kale SS2

[Koitsukai]

The last one wasn't that popular, here goes another one

SS Broly vs Vegeta SSBE (in the event that in the movie Vegeta withhold for whatever reason his final power up)

[p-hyvo]

The last one wasn't that popular, here goes another one

SS Broly vs Vegeta SSBE (in the event that in the movie Vegeta withhold for whatever reason his final power up)

Broly

[TheSaiyanGod]

The last one wasn't that popular, here goes another one

SS Broly vs Vegeta SSBE (in the event that in the movie Vegeta withhold for whatever reason his final power up)

SSBE Vegeta

SSJ multiplies base power by 50x. So, SSJ Broly is only 5 times stronger than Rage Broly, while SSB Evolution is 20x stronger than SSB (not to mention that SSB > Rage Broly)

[Zamasu55]

The last one wasn't that popular, here goes another one

SS Broly vs Vegeta SSBE (in the event that in the movie Vegeta withhold for whatever reason his final power up)

They still needed to fuse, so Broly is obviously superior.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Super Oozaru Goku (Baby Arc) vs Beyond Super Saiyan 2 (or whatever it's called) Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc)

[Koitsukai]

Super Oozaru Goku (Baby Arc) vs Beyond Super Saiyan 2 (or whatever it's called) Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc)

SS4 is pretty much controlled Golden Ozaru, BoG Vegeta is nowhere near that level of power, so I'm going with Goku.