New Viz Big Cover Art for Dragon Ball!

[Vekurotto]

Isn't that what ADV did with Eva?

3 or so EVA releases and the only one worth it is the Platinum. Milking is fine for 2 releases but when you've got 4 of almost the same thing with tweaks here and there it's annoying.

Firearms were changed or removed in most of the DB/Z volumes of the manga same with a lot of the nudity even if it was for comedic purposes like when Kuririn's pulled his pants down to fart on Bacterian. Nope draw Kuririn's pants back on is what ViZ said.

[Sebastian (SB)]

I think Toriyama should pull off a Miyazaki and send Viz a katana with a brief letter saying "No cuts". That would awesome but unlikely

[snaku]

I think Toriyama should pull off a Miyazaki and send Viz a katana with a brief letter saying "No cuts". That would awesome but unlikely

He did?

[Pain]

That shouldn't make much of a difference. All it is, is a title. Doesn't make it wrong or right.

Well, the title is 'Dragon Ball', and Viz is publishing it as 'Dragon Ball Z'. So, actually, it is wrong.

I like how they did mention in the American Shonen Jump blurb that Tanooki Kuribo provided how in Japan the whole thing is simply Dragon Ball.

Yea it's called the KANZEBAN!

Actually, it kanzenban. Same zen that's in Daizenshuu EX, as it were.

Unless this was just another example of how whenever you correct someone's spelling on the internet, you end up misspelling something yurself.

Woah Woah Woah! I just made a simple mistake. And I know I missed one letter so sorry.

[MagicBox]

Chapter 1 is all in color, and is 30 pages long. The other color chapters that should be in this first volume are 3, 4, and 19. These are fiften pages each. So 30+15+15+15=75. Some of those chapters might have started out in color and then gone to black-and-white (instead of going from full-color to limited color like regular color chapters do), which would account for the discrepency.

I can't help with the DBZ volumes, but I just went through my Viz DB volumes 1-3 (which is what will be included in the VizBig volume) and excluding title pages, I counted 62 pages in volume 1 alone that should be in color. I counted 15 in volume 2 and 17 in volume 3. Anyone is welcome to go count for themselves, as I might have goofed at some point, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

62+15+17=94, so I'm going to go ahead and assume that Viz doesn't have all of the color pages, just like the Kenshin volume. If they had all 94 pages, I think they'd put a higher number than 50 on the advertisement.

[Raki]

I think Toriyama should pull off a Miyazaki and send Viz a katana with a brief letter saying "No cuts". That would awesome but unlikely

I think all manga writers/artists and anime studios should do that. Then edits couldn't be made.

[TheGreatness25]

These books are being sold to youngsters, 13 and below. I doubt anyone's going to leave in anything like that. God forbid a parent sees it, there will be all hell to pay. Rather than go through all that, they'd much rather censor it. Is it better? No. Does it make sense? Yes. A lot of people are saying that censoring was useless, but remember, there are mobs of parents here. If you ignore them, that won't prevent them from attacking the product. Rather than ignore them and go through a ton of crap, companies would rather censor some things than deal with all that garbage. People need to realize that. Does it make much sense? To a conservative parent who doesn't want her 7 year old reading a comic book where it has a girl flashing, or some bald kid farting, it makes tons of sense. Just because you don't like that fact, doesn't mean that those angry parents don't exist.

Quite frankly, it's easy for me to say I'm mature enough to have everything uncut and unedited. But when you have kids, would you want them exposed to that? Probably not.

[caejones]

I still don't see how parents can expect their kids to get a hold of something they don't want them to see without some kind of parental sanctioning in the first place.
... of course, there's a lot of "normal" things that people do I still don't get. -.-

[The Time Traveller]

I think Toriyama should pull off a Miyazaki and send Viz a katana with a brief letter saying "No cuts". That would awesome but unlikely

I think all manga writers/artists and anime studios should do that. Then edits couldn't be made.

Kazuki Takahashi, who made Yugiou, didn't care.

[NeptuneKai]

I honestly don't think Toriyama would care either. He seems like a laid back guy who would understand why they were doing it.

[Super Sonic]

Firearms were changed or removed in most of the DB/Z volumes of the manga same with a lot of the nudity even if it was for comedic purposes like when Kuririn's pulled his pants down to fart on Bacterian. Nope draw Kuririn's pants back on is what ViZ said.

Krillin didn't take his pants down and fart in the manga. That was anime only. Besides, it would've been weird had they done that, yet showed his and Goku's "male pride".

[Vegard Aune]

These books are being sold to youngsters, 13 and below. I doubt anyone's going to leave in anything like that. God forbid a parent sees it, there will be all hell to pay. Rather than go through all that, they'd much rather censor it. Is it better? No. Does it make sense? Yes. A lot of people are saying that censoring was useless, but remember, there are mobs of parents here. If you ignore them, that won't prevent them from attacking the product. Rather than ignore them and go through a ton of crap, companies would rather censor some things than deal with all that garbage. People need to realize that. Does it make much sense? To a conservative parent who doesn't want her 7 year old reading a comic book where it has a girl flashing, or some bald kid farting, it makes tons of sense. Just because you don't like that fact, doesn't mean that those angry parents don't exist.

The norwegian translation never edited anything, (Except zooming in the frame where Bulma showed Roshi her... y'know, but that was propably just a mistake, as they didn't edit anything else in the entire series, and they still clearly stated that she wasn't wearing anything there.) yet I've never heard anyone complain about that, even though they actually included the first volume as a bonus in some other random magazine so more people would read it. Besides, I've seen nudity in stuff aimed at children before, and again, I've never heard anyone complain about it. This whole thing about censoring a comic-book is just ridicculous. Though, censoring the anime is just as ridicculous, but at least they released uncut DVDs to make up for that.

[TheGreatness25]

Norwegian is not American is it? Let me just make it simple. Here in the United States of America, we have conservative parents, who would just as quickly assemble a little protesting mob, for the sole purpose of saying that maybe that material would be offensive to their children. Who is trying to make abortion illegal? Who is trying to run down stem cell research? Who is trying to make the world all Disney Channel like for their children? Who almost got M rated games off shelves (including GTA!)? Okay? Do you get the point? You may not understand fully because you live in what I like to call a "normal" state, but most states are full of ass-backwards hicks who think that a skirt that's an inch above the knee is too offensive. And rather than deal with those ass backwards hicks, who think that their children should learn about sex on their wedding night, cartoon companies, and comic book companies, and gaming companies would rather avoid them. A way they avoid them is they slap a rating on their product. If Viz would've put a "PG-13" type rating on their product, not only would they lose sales (yeah imagine that), but I think that would go against their primary audience. Many comic books are more for the adult based audience, and I think it's by the grace of a higher power that angry parent mobs don't come after them.

What is funny is that they're the ones that can control what their children have access to. Most of those parents, for example, don't let their kids get GTA, but rather than leave it at that, they tried to get it off of store shelves anyway. Stupid ass rednecks.

[SonEric84]

So there's still no official word on whether these are going to be unedited or not?

[The Time Traveller]

Firearms were changed or removed in most of the DB/Z volumes of the manga same with a lot of the nudity even if it was for comedic purposes like when Kuririn's pulled his pants down to fart on Bacterian. Nope draw Kuririn's pants back on is what ViZ said.

Krillin didn't take his pants down and fart in the manga. That was anime only. Besides, it would've been weird had they done that, yet showed his and Goku's "male pride".

I noticed that they took out Gohan's after his transformation in volume 18 (DBZ 2) which is pretty weird, not that I wanted to see his dingaling, its just strange that they would do it for him, maybe because he's meant to be much younger than Goku was.

[Herms]

I can't help with the DBZ volumes, but I just went through my Viz DB volumes 1-3 (which is what will be included in the VizBig volume) and excluding title pages, I counted 62 pages in volume 1 alone that should be in color. I counted 15 in volume 2 and 17 in volume 3. Anyone is welcome to go count for themselves, as I might have goofed at some point, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

62+15+17=94, so I'm going to go ahead and assume that Viz doesn't have all of the color pages, just like the Kenshin volume. If they had all 94 pages, I think they'd put a higher number than 50 on the advertisement.

OK, I've now had a proper look through my kanzenban to find the amount of colored pages in the chapters that will be in the first two Viz Big, and you're right that there are about there being 94 color pages for the Dragon Ball one. Including Z, here's everything broken down by chapter and whether there's full color, partial color, or a color title page:

Viz Big Dragon Ball vol. 1 chapters
Chapter 1: 7 full color, 23 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 2: 1 full color, 13 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 3: 1 full color, 0 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 4: 3 full color, 11 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 5: 0 full color, 3 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 19: 4 full color, 11 partial color, 0 color title page
Chapter 25: 0 full color, 9 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 33: 0 full color, 8 partial color, 1 color title page

Total: 16 full color, 78 partial color, 7 color title page

Viz Big Dragon Ball Z vol.1 chapters
Chapter 196: 2 full color, 12 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 205: 14 full color, 0 partial color, 1 color title page
Chapter 228: 3 full color, 11 partial color, 1 color title page

Total: 19 full color, 23 partial color, 3 color title page

Here's my guess for the DBZ vol.1: It'll have all of the full color pages, and the partially colored pages from chapter 228. That comes out to 2+14+3+11=30, the number they said. Chapter 228 is when Goku and Vegeta start to fight, and they'd probably choose to have that all be in color rather than Raditz showing up at Kame House. I'd assume that all of the color title pages will be counted seperately, as the ads for this mention "extra color artwork" or something like that.

For Dragon Ball, I'm guessing that they're have all of the full color pages in color, so that comes out to 16. Then they'll probably have all of the first chapter in color, so 16+23=39. That leaves 11 pages to reach the promised 50. Chapters 4 and 19 both have exactly 11 pages. Chapter 4 is when they meet Kame-sennin, but chapter is when Shenlong comes out at the end, they I'll bet that's the one that'll be in color.

[MagicBox]

Well, volume 2's coverart for Dragon Ball Z has been revealed.

http://www.aaaanime.com/item/Books/1421520656.html

Caution: Contains unhealthy doses of extreme crappiness. I mean, c'mon, they could at least change the background color.

[Herms]

Well, volume 2's coverart for Dragon Ball Z has been revealed.

http://www.aaaanime.com/item/Books/1421520656.html

Caution: Contains unhealthy doses of extreme crappiness. I mean, c'mon, they could at least change the background color.

That looks almost exactly the same as the first one...I hope they do eventually feature a character other than Goku on these. They seem to be taking cover-making notes from the guy behind the Toei GT singles covers.

[Velasa]

There's a question I'm extremely concerned about that I haven't heard raised in this post yet, so I'll put it forward.

Does anyone know yet if the sound effects have been edited in this version? I love the art that goes into them and I've always been disappointed the way that they're erased out and new ones are plopped on top that one- don't look as good and two- end up covering some of the actual page art pretty often to disguise the fact that there had been Japanese writing there.


The original sound effects are as important to me art-wise as having the color pages in color. If these edit them, I'm likley to just finish up buying the little volumes for reading and thgo for the kanzenban for the art.

[Herms]

As far as I know, nothing has been said by Viz about these editions keeping the original sound effects. Since I'm pretty sure Viz still changes the sound effects in all their manga into roman letters, I don't expect that these will be any different.