Is it time GT gets recognized as an alternate timeline rather than just "not canon?"

[KBABZ]

I disagree. By official I pretty men Toriyama involved or approved not American developers just doing anything they want.

I don't think I can even name a single Dragon Ball game developed in America to be perfectly honest.

[Xeogran]

I disagree. By official I pretty men Toriyama involved or approved not American developers just doing anything they want.

I don't think I can even name a single Dragon Ball game developed in America to be perfectly honest.

Legacy of Goku Series, Taiketsu and GT Transformation I think.

[goku the krump dancer]

I disagree. By official I pretty men Toriyama involved or approved not American developers just doing anything they want.

I don't think I can even name a single Dragon Ball game developed in America to be perfectly honest.

Legacy of Goku Series, Taiketsu and GT Transformation I think.

and Sagas. Which I personally think wasn't that bad, at least at the time, I really had fun with it, despite being a mess.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

I disagree. By official I pretty mean Toriyama involved or approved not American developers just doing anything they want.

America has nothing to do with it the video games are made by Namco Bandai a japanese compagny that have close relationship with Toei and Shueisha also japanese compagny. Also Toriyama worked with Namco Bandai a lot.

Look at the character like Towa, Mira or Demigra or Android 21 & Shallot or even Bonuy which is coming soon in the game DBZ: Kakarrot as an exclusif character all of them are character that were worked by Toriyama so even those are some tie with the Master himself.

They are official. Like Dragon Ball GT is official like the movies are official they are just NON CANON.

[Tai Lung]

that they couldn't have a special crossover like with Dr slump?

[KBABZ]

They are official. Like Dragon Ball GT is official like the movies are official they are just NON CANON.

If we're moving on to the subject of official, then EVERYTHING is official here, from Chapter 1 to that telephone minigame.

[jollyr]

I disagree. By official I pretty mean Toriyama involved or approved not American developers just doing anything they want.

America has nothing to do with it the video games are made by Namco Bandai a japanese compagny that have close relationship with Toei and Shueisha also japanese compagny. Also Toriyama worked with Namco Bandai a lot.

Look at the character like Towa, Mira or Demigra or Android 21 & Shallot or even Bonuy which is coming soon in the game DBZ: Kakarrot as an exclusif character all of them are character that were worked by Toriyama so even those are some tie with the Master himself.

They are official. Like Dragon Ball GT is official like the movies are official they are just NON CANON.

Again the characters Toriyama contributed I accept into my personal DB world but the stories and what not I dont

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Again the characters Toriyama contributed I accept into my personal DB world but the stories and what not I dont

So now we are in headcanon territory

[Grimlock]

We are always in that territory whenever we discuss canonicity.

[jollyr]

Again the characters Toriyama contributed I accept into my personal DB world but the stories and what not I dont

So now we are in headcanon territory

I mean yeah that's the only kind there is.

[ABED]

Again the characters Toriyama contributed I accept into my personal DB world but the stories and what not I dont

So now we are in headcanon territory

I mean yeah that's the only kind there is.

That's not true at all. First, headcanon isn't a kind of canon. That's a contradiction. And second, serialized stories have canon/continuity.

[KBABZ]

headcanon isn't a kind of canon.

I disagree. While it isn't official in any capacity (and nor should it be taken as such), fans will often do this to sort what goes where for them. For example placing the first Cooler and Broly movies in the gaps in the Android/Cell saga is one of the most popular instances of headcanon in Dragon Ball fandom, but only the insanely dogmatic would hold that up to official scrutiny. There's no harm to it.

[ABED]

headcanon isn't a kind of canon.

I disagree. While it isn't official in any capacity (and nor should it be taken as such), fans will often do this to sort what goes where for them. For example placing the first Cooler and Broly movies in the gaps in the Android/Cell saga is one of the most popular instances of headcanon in Dragon Ball fandom, but only the insanely dogmatic would hold that up to official scrutiny. There's no harm to it.

Canon has to be official, that's what makes it canon. There's no harm to it, but it's a confusing term that isn't helpful.

Saying headcanon is a type of canon is like saying abstinence is a type of sex.

[KBABZ]

Canon has to be official, that's what makes it canon. There's no harm to it, but it's a confusing term that isn't helpful.

Saying headcanon is a type of canon is like saying abstinence is a type of sex.

Well zero's a number and black is a colour. Headcanon isn't a canon except for the person using it, and most everyone here understands that aspect of it.

[ABED]

Canon has to be official, that's what makes it canon. There's no harm to it, but it's a confusing term that isn't helpful.

Saying headcanon is a type of canon is like saying abstinence is a type of sex.

Well zero's a number and black is a colour. Headcanon isn't a canon except for the person using it, and most everyone here understands that aspect of it.

You're confusing light and pigment. Two different concepts, but nice try. And no, not everyone here understands that aspect of it. We keep having to have discussions about what canon is precisely because it's a confusing term. Headcanon confuses it even more. ANd really, 0 is your counterargument? Think about what headcanon really means. It's saying "my unofficial view of what is officially in continuity." Because that's not confusing at all.

Why did headcanon have to be created? What idea wasn't clear about "in my imagination" or "my imagined version of events"? My guess is the term came about because someone wanted a shorthand.

[jollyr]

Canon has to be official, that's what makes it canon. There's no harm to it, but it's a confusing term that isn't helpful.

Saying headcanon is a type of canon is like saying abstinence is a type of sex.

Well zero's a number and black is a colour. Headcanon isn't a canon except for the person using it, and most everyone here understands that aspect of it.

You're confusing light and pigment. Two different concepts, but nice try. And no, not everyone here understands that aspect of it. We keep having to have discussions about what canon is precisely because it's a confusing term. Headcanon confuses it even more. ANd really, 0 is your counterargument? Think about what headcanon really means. It's saying "my unofficial view of what is officially in continuity." Because that's not confusing at all.

Why did headcanon have to be created? What idea wasn't clear about "in my imagination" or "my imagined version of events"? My guess is the term came about because someone wanted a shorthand.

However Toriyama nor anyone else has ever stated any type of official canon there for its all up in the air and head canon is all there is.

[ABED]

However Toriyama nor anyone else has ever stated any type of official canon there for its all up in the air and head canon is all there is.

First, he doesn't have to. It's implicit that his story is canon. Second, if you don't agree, then there is no explicit canon or simply no canon, to which I say "so what". And finally, canon as it pertains to fictional narrative was first applied to Sherlock Holmes. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said nothing about canon nor did he care.

[jollyr]

However Toriyama nor anyone else has ever stated any type of official canon there for its all up in the air and head canon is all there is.

First, he doesn't have to. It's implicit that his story is canon. Second, if you don't agree, then there is no explicit canon or simply no canon, to which I say "so what". And finally, canon as it pertains to fictional narrative was first applied to Sherlock Holmes. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said nothing about canon nor did he care.

Kay well I'm still just gonna stick to my head cannon until Toriyama or someone he endorses says otherwise.

[ABED]

He did when he wrote the story.

[TobyS]

Saiyans biology according to toriyama rules (tails not being needed at higher power levels for example) just doesn't work with GT.

You'd have to go back in time really far back to alter, accidentally or on purpose saiyans evolution.

Interestingly didn't the U12 guy time travel back a long time ago? Why throw that in.

Then we have not explicitly canon but canon adjacent stuff like the heroes manga and anime having SS4 meeting Blue.

I do wonder if they are testing the water to do just that.

I'd say there's a 33.3% chance the U12 timeline gets retrofitted for being GT. 33.3% toriyama has another specific idea for it. And 33.3% it was made to just show Trunks isn't the only time machine user ever. It'd be weird if our main characters were the first for no reason other than immersion breaking plot convenient. Sorta like how marvels main earth is 616 because it'd be weird if it was the main one.