The biggest Ocean dub crime?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:17 pm

dagame10k wrote:IMO, both fan bases should just learn that both versions are horribly flawed, both full of problems that make them only 30-44% of how they actually should have turned out, and both fan bases should accept the fact that both are a matter of taste.

They have things in common, be it the horrible scripts which were written for 9 year olds, the wonderful video sources both used which were mangled by the smart people at FUNimation, and you got the BGM which are horribly flawed in both dubs.

Biggest Ocean Dub Crime? FUNimation

Indeed. Most of them don't even realize that Funimation was in charge for both dubs. But it's the fate of Dragonball in America. Lots of ignorance with a small dose of apathy.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:22 pm

Onikage725 wrote:One time this guy picked a fight with me in the comments about my (and the entire english-speaking fanbase's) spelling of Piccolo. "The man's name is Pikkoro, everyone else spells it that way except you Americans."

Wow.

Talk about elitism at its worst.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:32 pm

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:One time this guy picked a fight with me in the comments about my (and the entire english-speaking fanbase's) spelling of Piccolo. "The man's name is Pikkoro, everyone else spells it that way except you Americans."
Wow.

Talk about elitism at its worst.

You haven't been to the planetnamek chatroom back in the day....

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:02 pm

I only use names like Bejitah, and Pikkolro when I feel like being a dick but there are some times when I don't see why people just can't spell the names how they want. Like how I'd rather have Freezer over Freeza since "Freezer" is technically more correct even though it's not official. And (Off topic example) In Jetman I thought that the evil organization and antagonists were called "Bailam" but then I found out they were called "Vyram". Needless to say, I still like "Bailam" better even if it goes against the "official" spelling...

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:21 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Do the Mexicans and Spaniards do this to each others' respective Spanish dubs?... because that would just be a brilliant comparison...

Oh internet, how I love you.

Seriously I don't care, but most Mexicans and Spaniards fight for which dub is better. I personally think the Mexican dub is better because they didn't change the names of the attacks. Mexico also dubbed every opening and ending theme except the last three ending themes to DBGT because they probabaly got lazy since it was a short show. Also the BGM audio is just like the japanese, whereas Spain's dub audio is like a little faster or like the notes are lowered down.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:24 pm

Wait, so they changed music and such in Spain too? Or is this just PAL playing its tricks on you?

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:50 pm

bkev wrote:Wait, so they changed music and such in Spain too? Or is this just PAL playing its tricks on you?

Not changed, the audio is just a little faster and like the volume tone is different from the japanese. The only songs they performed in the original instrumetal was Makafushigi, Romantic, Dan Dan and Hitorijanai. They made different instruments for Chala and Zenkai Power, while they never made an attempt to do We Gotta Power and We Were Angels.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:56 pm

Audio faster, pitch higher - not the fault of the company, in PAL territory *everything* is sped up. Ever heard Star Wars? It's god awful in PAL.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:03 pm

Vekurotto wrote: Like how I'd rather have Freezer over Freeza since "Freezer" is technically more correct even though it's not official.

Technically, no, it's not.
フリーザー <-- This is how we spell the word "freezer" with katakana.
フリーザ <-- This is how Freeza's name is spelled.

Are these spellings identical? No. Therefore, Freeza's name shouldn't be romanized as "Freezer".

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:32 pm

bkev wrote:Audio faster, pitch higher - not the fault of the company, in PAL territory *everything* is sped up. Ever heard Star Wars? It's god awful in PAL.

I'm sorry for asking, but what exactly is PAL?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:48 pm

PAL, from what I understand, is the TV resolution in European countries. It has more vertical picture, and runs at a slightly faaster framerate; something like 25 or 29 fps compared to NTSC which is (about) 23.4 FPS. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, which odds are I am.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:57 pm

Vekurotto wrote:I only use names like Bejitah, and Pikkolro when I feel like being a dick but there are some times when I don't see why people just can't spell the names how they want. Like how I'd rather have Freezer over Freeza since "Freezer" is technically more correct even though it's not official. And (Off topic example) In Jetman I thought that the evil organization and antagonists were called "Bailam" but then I found out they were called "Vyram". Needless to say, I still like "Bailam" better even if it goes against the "official" spelling...

Wasn't there a character named "Pikkolro" in the anime, the guy who looked after the orphans. I havn't read all the manga, so I'm not sure if he's in that. Probably not, since he seems like a filler character.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:22 pm

Adamant wrote:
Vekurotto wrote: Like how I'd rather have Freezer over Freeza since "Freezer" is technically more correct even though it's not official.
Technically, no, it's not.
フリーザー <-- This is how we spell the word "freezer" with katakana.
フリーザ <-- This is how Freeza's name is spelled.

Are these spellings identical? No. Therefore, Freeza's name shouldn't be romanized as "Freezer".

Well I like Freezer as well as Freeza. That's just my preference.

But can you explain why other countries used "Freezer" though? I knew the Mexican dub and a good number of other foreign language dubs did not use "Freeza". And also why Funi used in the dub used "Cooler" instead of "Coola"? I literally don't know.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:27 pm

Vekurotto wrote:Pikkolro

Gesundheit.

when I don't see why people just can't spell the names how they want.

Because they get stupid with it, re: Bejiitah, Seru, Toranksu. The word is English, it's a pun on English, why is it so hard to spell it in English?

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:32 pm

bkev wrote:PAL, from what I understand, is the TV resolution in European countries. It has more vertical picture, and runs at a slightly faaster framerate; something like 25 or 29 fps compared to NTSC which is (about) 23.4 FPS. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, which odds are I am.

PAL- 25 fps
NTSC- 29.970 fps

Other than that, you more or less understand.

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:33 pm

bkev wrote:PAL, from what I understand, is the TV resolution in European countries. It has more vertical picture, and runs at a slightly faaster framerate; something like 25 or 29 fps compared to NTSC which is (about) 23.4 FPS. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, which odds are I am.

Oh I guess I kind of get it, if your completely right I assume.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:37 pm

Super 17 wrote:
bkev wrote:PAL, from what I understand, is the TV resolution in European countries. It has more vertical picture, and runs at a slightly faaster framerate; something like 25 or 29 fps compared to NTSC which is (about) 23.4 FPS. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, which odds are I am.
Oh I guess I kind of get it, if your completely right I assume.

Guy above fixed my framerates, but I got it down.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:38 pm

Rocketman wrote:
when I don't see why people just can't spell the names how they want.

Because they get stupid with it, re: Bejiitah, Seru, Toranksu. The word is English, it's a pun on English, why is it so hard to spell it in English?

You're leaving out the part when I said sometimes. And yes, there is a line between just being sane and being an elitist when it comes to the names but I think that if somebody spells them within reason, then they're fine. I really don't mind if the way the name's spelled is the same as in Funi's dub/subtitles or if it's misspelled or tweaked a little, as long as it doesn't fall into direct romanji mixed in with BS.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:34 am

Kid Trunks wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:I only use names like Bejitah, and Pikkolro when I feel like being a dick but there are some times when I don't see why people just can't spell the names how they want. Like how I'd rather have Freezer over Freeza since "Freezer" is technically more correct even though it's not official. And (Off topic example) In Jetman I thought that the evil organization and antagonists were called "Bailam" but then I found out they were called "Vyram". Needless to say, I still like "Bailam" better even if it goes against the "official" spelling...
Wasn't there a character named "Pikkolro" in the anime, the guy who looked after the orphans. I havn't read all the manga, so I'm not sure if he's in that. Probably not, since he seems like a filler character.

The dub had it like, Figoro or something to that effect... I think that was filler? (The orphans in Gohan's training? That in the Syndication Ocean Dub in U.S. days referenced Native Americans or something like that?)