After all these years, I hear that Frieza's PL was wrong?

[Pizzaguylol]

I was looking up DBZ power levels last night, trying to find a copy of the old Planetnamek.com listing that Mac did. I found a site that had them pretty much the same exact way they were from PN, but I searched more, and found some youtube videos stating Frieza's PL at 100% was around 120,000,000 and that the 12,000,000 was a mistranslation. Whats the deal? Have I been misinformed all these years or was this really the case?

PlanetNamek.com copy pasta'd list from:
http://members.fortunecity.com/azhden/m ... levels.htm

Video that says he's 120,000,000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6MffNMlWw

Come to your own conclusions. I personally still hold to the 12,000,000, because 120,000,000 up from his base level is ridiculous.

[Tyro]

An in-depth post on why SSj Goku and Freeza were in the 100,000,000s.

[Pizzaguylol]

Wow... so I guess all these years the PL list I've been reading was wrong... Just seems so crazy that their power levels would go up THAT high.

[Rocketman]

I still don't believe it, largely because I don't buy Goku going from 90,000 to three million in one zenkai where he wasn't even hurt that bad, but Vegeta gets blasted through the chest and lays there bleeding out, and 'only' goes from roughly 350,000 to two million or whatnot.

Plus, Goku flipping back and forth between normal and x2/x3/x10 and taking the same damage in both, despite Freeza can't sense power levels and wouldn't pull his punch....bah.

[NeptuneKai]

An in-depth post on why SSj Goku and Freeza were in the 100,000,000s.

This is why I gave up on learning power levels long ago.

[Velasa]

I've never paid attention to the particulars of power levels because in DBZ they shoot into the crazy batchuit atmosphere and loose all understandable meaning.

But seeing a page fron PN fills me with joy. Is there any more of it still around somewhere??

[Herms]

It's true. I believe it was originally Greg Werner who mistranslated Daizenshuu 7's battle powers for Freeza and SSJ Goku as being 12 and 15 million. What it actually gives is 120 and 150 million. This mistranslation was probably due to a misunderstanding used to write their battle powers. See, in the daizenshuu they were written like this: 1億2000 万 and 1億5000万. The first kanji is oku and means "one hundred million" (Luffy's current bounty in One Piece is san oku, 300 million). The second one is man and means "Ten thousand". So [one hundred million] + 2000 x [ten thousand]=120 million. Greg Werner and/or Planet Namek simply got the kanji and/or the math wrong. And from there those wrong battle powers spread throughout the internet.

Now, I'm not saying that you automatically have to believe that their battle powers were 120 and 150 million, but the fact is that they only reason anyone ever said they were 12 and 15 million was due to mistranslation.

[Raki]

I began to disregard power levels after Freeza's many transformations.

[worldmonsters]

Just on a sidenote, according to that Daizenshuu, Goku's power was 8000 and not OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND!!!!

Had to go there, yes, I am sorry.

[Herms]

Just on a sidenote, according to that Daizenshuu, Goku's power was 8000 and not OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND!!!!

Not just according to the daizenshuu, but to the manga as well. The original line is actually "over 8,000".

[Sun_Wukong]

God oh God I hate hate hate PL discussions.

[Tyro]

God oh God I hate hate hate PL discussions.

Then...leave and/or don't read said thread(s) beyond the title because you undoubtedly knew what was inside?

[Son Wukong]

So basically the powerlevels we had in mind were about 1/10 of the true powerlevels. Big deal, as if it has any shocking effect on the story you knew so far. Just look at the big picture. It doesn't matter if Goku's and Freeza's powerlevel were in the 100 million. They could have been in 100 billion as far as I care. What matter is that Goku was the stronger fighter in the fight against Freeza.

[Pizzaguylol]

I know it doesn't really affect the story, but I've always liked reading them and seeing what they were during a specific fight and how it relates to the outcome of the battle(s). 120,000,000 just seems to be an absurdly large jump. 300,000 was Goku's base PL, and at 20x Kaioken it was around 6,000,000. Going from 6,000,000 at 20x Kaioken to 15,000,000 seems much more believable than 150,000,000.

Edit: Does DaizEx not have a power level section?

[Herms]

I know it doesn't really affect the story, but I've always liked reading them and seeing what they were during a specific fight and how it relates to the outcome of the battle(s). 120,000,000 just seems to be an absurdly large jump. 300,000 was Goku's base PL, and at 20x Kaioken it was around 6,000,000. Going from 6,000,000 at 20x Kaioken to 15,000,000 seems much more believable than 150,000,000.

No, that's the thing: it wasn't just the battle powers of Freeza and SSJ Goku that were mistranslated as 1/10 what they daizenshuu said they were, it was all of them from the Goku vs. Freeza fight. So Goku's base when he began to fight Freeza was 3 million. At Kaio-ken x10 he was 30 million. Freeza at 50% Full Power was 60 million, as was Kaio-ken x20 Goku presumably. From there, 100% Full Power Freeza is 120 million and SSJ Goku is 150 million. The ratios are all the same, it's just that everything is x10 the whole way through.

Edit: Does DaizEx not have a power level section?

Not now, and probably never.

[Pizzaguylol]

So I guess maybe adding an extra 0 or so to some of the PN.com power lists wouldn't be a bad idea after the Frieza Saga, eh?

[caejones]

If by that you mean power levels after Goku defeats Freeza... sure, since ... they're all speculative anyway...

[Herms]

So I guess maybe adding an extra 0 or so to some of the PN.com power lists wouldn't be a bad idea after the Freeza Saga, eh?

I'm not sure how much stalk I'd put in that list as a whole, really. I hear the Planet Namek.com was a good site for its time, but if that page is an accurate representation of what they were like, then...let's just say I'm certainly glad we've got Daizenshuu EX now (and Kanzentai!).

[DemonKingPiccolo]

Freeza being in the hundred millions at 100% (though unbelievable) does actually make sense if you look at how transformations work and the stand-point of other characters in the series. Also you have to understand that the Japanese numeric system is different then ours, that's why the PL that appears in the Daizenshuu printed in Japanese only looks like 12,000,000: there's a missing zero if you look at it from an English stand point:


Freeza's Transformations:
*Transformations are basically "cheats" that give you more power than your simple power ups can (not including Kaioken). This is the entire purpose of transformation, unless you're talking about Freeza who uses his transformations to supress his ki. But since his fourth form is his natural form, that form gives him the most flexibility when regulating ki size. Transformations are basically alternate bodies from the character's original, therefore each time that a new form is reached, that form then has a new base and maximum ki size. The characters natural form has a base and maximum, and then a second form ("alternate body") has a base and maximum, and so on.

*Freeza's PL in his second from was over 1,000,000. Freeza then increased his power 2 more times through two more transformations. It's rare for a fighter to increase their ki to twice their base ki level, but if he did in his second form, he'd able to reach roughly 2,000,000.

*Since transformations are basically "cheats" as I explained a few seconds ago, Freeza's base ki size third form would've been far over 2,000,000, for example, let's just say it's around 5 or 6 million. Remember, this is only his third form, and he hasn't even powered up yet in his third form. This would be roughly 9-13 mil if he did power up to his maximum while in his third form.

*Freeza then transformed again, which would boost his base ki (in fourth form) beyond his roof in his third form (which is 12,000,000-13,000,000).

*Since he later admitted that he was supressed while in fourth form, his ki level could be anywhere between 5 mil and 20 mil when he fought base Goku. Freeza's 50% would roughly be his natural base (which is stated to be 60,000,000).

*Freeza's supressed 4th form needs to be in the millions because he was able to deflect post-zenkai Vegeta's attack with ease who was over 1,000,000 because of his zenkai.

Comparing Freeza to Goku:
*Since Goku was able to fight Freeza and get a few shots in, this puts post-zenkai Goku in the millions if you consider how easily Freeza defeated Vegeta (who was at least 1,000,000).

*Goku then used the KKx10 and later the KKx20, and he was still no match for Freeza (who was only at 50%). Goku's PL during his fight with Freeza was stated to be 3,000,000. This puts his KKx10 at 30,000,000, and KKx20 at 60,000,000.

*Since Freeza's 50% is 60,000,000, his 100% would be 120,000,000.

It's rather simple to figure out if you consider transformations as "cheats". Transformations are power ups, but the transformation is what results in the ki size increase, and not the other way around.

[Rocketman]

Goku's PL during his fight with Freeza was stated to be 3,000,000.

By the same source that said Nappa's power level was 4,000.

And where does the idea come from that Final Form Freeza was at 1% or whatever of his true power?