How would you improve DB going forward?

[Dbzfan94]

Gohan was given plenty in Super. Why would you want someone else in the lead role? Has it ever worked out well to change a show's lead after an extended period?

The Boruto series seems to be doing just fine going down that route. Naruto, Saskue and Sakura appear but they're far from main characters.

That's a spin off.

Its a continuation the same way Super and GT are.

[ABED]

The Boruto series seems to be doing just fine going down that route. Naruto, Saskue and Sakura appear but they're far from main characters.

That's a spin off.

Its a continuation the same way Super and GT are.

No, Super and GT are telling the story of the same main characters just at a later point. Naruto is a spin off in the same way Frasier spun off from Cheers.

[Lord Beerus]

Bring back the martial arts that made DB popular back in the original series with characters learning a lot of new interesting things instead of just continuing this whole "I can't beat this guy guess I'll have to hit harder" Motif that plagues modern DB.

This method of storytelling has plagued since the King Piccolo arc. Hell, modern Dragon Ball, since I would say the Universe 6 arc, has been desperately trying dial to back on the narrative boiling down to being a power-up/transformation race. But even then, the power creep is still very much present. I guess that's what happens when a franchise has spent so many years being written with the same narrative structure.

[Dbzfan94]

That's a spin off.

Its a continuation the same way Super and GT are.

No, Super and GT are telling the story of the same main characters just at a later point. Naruto is a spin off in the same way Frasier spun off from Cheers.

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this, so agree to disagree.

[ABED]

Its a continuation the same way Super and GT are.

No, Super and GT are telling the story of the same main characters just at a later point. Naruto is a spin off in the same way Frasier spun off from Cheers.

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this, so agree to disagree.

Because you know I'm right. I know that sounds arrogant, but if it's not the same cast of characters it's not a continuation in the same way. I don't know why anyone would ever claim that following a different cast of characters is the same as following the same cast but further down the road. Regardless, from what little I've seen of Naruto, it's not an interesting show so any change of the status quo would be welcome.

[Grimlock]

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this, so agree to disagree.

Characters that get their own thing despite not being the central figure of a franchise all fall into the "spin-off" category. In Dragon Ball, the Trunks TV Special for example (including the manga version) is a spin-off. It was taken a specific thing already seen in Dragon Ball and was expanded in another related material. If Gohan gets his own series set after the Dragon Ball Super events, it will be a sequel to that series, but a spin-off nonetheless, because Gohan is not the central figure of the franchise. This is why Boruto is a sequel to Naruto, but also a spin-off.

[ABED]

Hell even a show that takes one of the characters of a ensemble cast and builds a show around them either later in their story or as a prequel would still be a spin off since the original show is an ensemble.

[zekken1]

No, Super and GT are telling the story of the same main characters just at a later point. Naruto is a spin off in the same way Frasier spun off from Cheers.

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this, so agree to disagree.

Because you know I'm right. I know that sounds arrogant, but if it's not the same cast of characters it's not a continuation in the same way.

Just because the protagonist changes that doesn't mean it's not a continuation of the same story. If that's was the case then was the buu saga portoin of the manga a spin off because Toriyama stated that gohan would be the new protagonist?

The story in Boruto is very much a continuation of the story in Naruto.

[MasenkoHA]

No, Super and GT are telling the story of the same main characters just at a later point. Naruto is a spin off in the same way Frasier spun off from Cheers.

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this, so agree to disagree.

Because you know I'm right. I know that sounds arrogant, but if it's not the same cast of characters it's not a continuation in the same way. I don't know why anyone would ever claim that following a different cast of characters is the same as following the same cast but further down the road. Regardless, from what little I've seen of Naruto, it's not an interesting show so any change of the status quo would be welcome.

To my understanding (though I don’t watch Naruto and have no desire to after what I’ve seen) Boruto still has those three their roles are just reduced so it’s not a spin off.


It’s not unheard of for shows to switch focus on characters. Simpsons early years were way more focused on Bart but later switched to Homer.


There’s just no reason to make Dragon Ball “The Gohan show” Toriyama flirted with it with the Great Saiyaman arc and it just wasn’t that interesting.

But if he had gone with his initial plans to make Gohan the main for the Boo saga that wouldn’t make it a spin off.

[Grimlock]

If that's was the case then was the buu saga portoin of the manga a spin off because Toriyama stated that gohan would be the new protagonist?

No, because that situation is no different from getting rid of Goku for a while to focus on other characters (which was done quite a few times, even in recent years). Also, you said it well, "would", that was not even the case on the actual paper. Majin Buu saga is still pretty much telling you Goku's story despite initial intentions and such that didn't come to fruition.

The story in Boruto is very much a continuation of the story in Naruto.

Yes, Boruto was first established in the Naruto series and then got his own series set after Naruto. Making it a sequel, but also meeting the basic criteria of a spin-off.

[zekken1]

If that's was the case then was the buu saga portoin of the manga a spin off because Toriyama stated that gohan would be the new protagonist?

No, because that situation is no different from getting rid of Goku for a while to focus on other characters (which was done quite a few times, even in recent years). Also, you said it well, "would", that was not even the case on the actual paper. Majin Buu saga is still pretty much telling you Goku's story despite initial intentions and such that didn't come to fruition.

The story in Boruto is very much a continuation of the story in Naruto.

Yes, Boruto was first established in the Naruto series and then got his own series set after Naruto. Making it a sequel, but also meeting the basic criteria of a spin-off.

Nope, Toriyama flat out stated in the manga that Gohan was the new protagonist. He just went back to Goku later because Gohan wasn't suited for the role of protagonist in a fighting series because he doesn't seek fights, therefore the fights would always have had to come to him. Point is for the time Gohan was the protagonist the series was not a spin off.

Even so Boruto can be called a spin off, it's much more a sequel seeing as it's set in the same village just several years later and Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura still act and develop the same way they did in Naruto(just the fact that they have less screen time).

[Grimlock]

Nope, Toriyama flat out stated in the manga that Gohan was the new protagonist.

May you provide a source? Never seen such statement.

[ABED]

It’s not unheard of for shows to switch focus on characters. Simpsons early years were way more focused on Bart but later switched to Homer.

That's not altogether true. He got more press and sold more shirts, but the show was always about the family given that it was a satire of family sitcoms. I guess the better example would be Family Ties as it was originally supposed to center on the parents, but it wasn't working then the producers realized the star of the show was really Alex P Keaton. He was the comedic engine of the show. That's different. It was early in the run and the show was finding its footing. What I'm talking about is something like X-Files, That 70s Show, The Office, or Dukes of Hazzard where the main characters left and the show kept going. The decision to keep going after the audience had years of emotional investment in those characters' journeys was never for the best.

Goku has gone about as far as he can, but changing main characters is a truly awful idea.

[zekken1]

Nope, Toriyama flat out stated in the manga that Gohan was the new protagonist.

May you provide a source? Never seen such statement.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/chp-421/

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[Grimlock]

Great. Majin Buu saga is a huge spin-off, my example of Gohan getting his own thing was very spot on.

No really, like I said, Goku is still the central figure. Gohan only got what? 15 minutes of fame/in the spotlight (including his comeback with the Ultimate transformation)? In the grand scheme of things, seeing things from a bigger picture, it was always Goku. I doubt anyone would/could say Gohan was the protagonist through and through in the Majin Buu saga, even with this initial intention of making him into one.

[zekken1]

Great. Majin Buu saga is a huge spin-off, my example of Gohan getting his own thing was very spot on.

No really, like I said, Goku is still the central figure. Gohan only got what? 15 minutes of fame/in the spotlight (including his comeback with the Ultimate transformation)? In the grand scheme of things, seeing things from a bigger picture, it was always Goku. I doubt anyone would/could say Gohan was the protagonist through and through in the Majin Buu saga, even with this initial intention of making him into one.

At this day Goku was and still is the protagonist of dragon ball, including the buu saga, that is a fact.

The point here is, at the time the chapter released in WSJ in May 11, 1993. Even though Toriyama changed the protagonist to Gohan the story was not a spin off. It was still Dragon Ball

[XanatosVanBadass]

By not listening to American fans. Ever.

[ABED]

By not listening to American fans. Ever.

I edited it for you.

[goku the krump dancer]

By not listening to American fans. Ever.

I edited it for you.

The only time fan feed back should play a part in content creation of ANY KIND is with video games and even then that's in small doses.

[Planetnamek]

By not listening to American fans. Ever.

I edited it for you.

The only time fan feed back should play a part in content creation of ANY KIND is with video games and even then that's in small doses.

I think it should play a part if a creator royally screws up in some way.