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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:46 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:34 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:30 pm


-Cell. I think Dabura was compared to regular Perfect Cell, because SS Gohan put up a good fight with him, if Dabura was like SP Cell, Gohan without SS2 would've been toasted. Also Gohan was stronger during the Cell Games when he had much trouble against Cell. Close fight though, Dabura has those weird tricks.
Fair enough, however didn't Gohan use SSJ2?
The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.
Oh ok thanks :thumbup:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sadala Elite » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:18 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:46 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:34 pm

Fair enough, however didn't Gohan use SSJ2?
The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.
Oh ok thanks :thumbup:
The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:49 pm

Sadala Elite wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:18 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:46 pm


The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.
Oh ok thanks :thumbup:
The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.
oh ok so he did use ssj2

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:23 am

New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Peach » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:32 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:42 pm
Whatever form of Cell is compared to Dabura vs Dabura

I think it's Super Perfect Cell since that was the strongest and latest form of him so why use one half as strong, especially since Goku and Vegeta felt that power firsthand. Goku from the afterlife and Vegeta literally right in front.

However I know some think the comment refers to just Perfect Cell, so idk
Super Perfect Cell vs. Dabura? Definitely Cell. Cell's regeneration and techniques give him the edge.

He can rip off any limbs that Dabura spits on. Once he realizes Dabura's power, there's no way he lets it spread to the lump in his head.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Peach » Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:45 pm

Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Thunderbird » Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:16 am

God of Destruction Toppo vs Super Saiyan 2 Kefla

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SSBE Vegeta(Top)(Final Atonement) vs SS Broly

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:45 pm

Peach wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)
Chi Chi stomps.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:06 pm

Sadala Elite wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:18 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:46 pm


The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.
Oh ok thanks :thumbup:
The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.
Mmm I see, still prefer to go with the original source, when he attacks Buu's egg he isn't SS2 either. I don't think he forgot there again.
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:23 am
New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?
1- Saganbo.
2- 7/3 with post-ToP Gohan should take it.
3- I think Jiren needs to power up
4- Toppo. In his base he faced Gohan and 17 with ease. Throw in Dyspo and probably he is in trouble, but make him GoD and he takes them out.
5- I'm going with FP Broly
Peach wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)
I think Videl. She can fly, at least she has that edge.
Thunderbird wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:16 am
God of Destruction Toppo vs Super Saiyan 2 Kefla
Toppo
Triggered Vegeta wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:28 pm
SSBE Vegeta(Top)(Final Atonement) vs SS Broly
I don't know if Broly dies but he gets seriously injured.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GatoF » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:20 am

Peach wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:45 pm
Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)
This chi-chi have a power level of 130 that is almost the same power level as master roshi(139).

Videl has no chance.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:46 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:23 am
New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?
- Pass. :lol:
From now on I'll try to avoid mixing anime and manga. They're two separate things, too different from one another.

- See above.

- That Jiren is beyond the following characters: Belmod, Beerus (probably), Merged Zamasu, SsjB Vegetto. Gogeta isn't.

- Pass.

- This could be an interesting fight. Broly was no match for Gogeta, but he can give this Vegetto trouble. Imo.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sadala Elite » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 am

- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Peach » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:55 am

Sadala Elite wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 am
- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?
Wasn't Piccolo struggling with a Dodoria level guy in Resurrection F?

Seems he got weaker since Cell and didn't get stronger until the end of Super.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:43 pm

Sadala Elite wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 am
- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?
1) hard to tell because we haven't seen Goku fight, but I'd go with SSB. I don't think he got over 50x stronger to overcome the gap between the forms, specially if he has been training UI.

2) I'd like to believe Piccolo is Cell Games SS Goku tier by BoG.

3) Base Black without the scythe seemed like he could withstand quite a lot from SSB Vegeta. With a scythe and vs a weaker SSB, he should have the edge.

4) I feel Android 16 would've been one-shot by Fat Buu, and although base Gotenks got stomped, I don't think that was actually something 16 could survive. Perfect Cell blew him up to pieces without even trying.

5) well, let's say MUI is SSB+SSB(equal to Gogeta), then it depends on how strong you think SSB is. Lowballing SSB (4,000x), early Z MUI Goku's ceiling would be somehere below SS2 Gohan vs SP Cell.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MainJPW » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:10 pm

Peach wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:55 am
Wasn't Piccolo struggling with a Dodoria level guy in Resurrection F?

Seems he got weaker since Cell and didn't get stronger until the end of Super.
No? Gohan had to go Super Saiyan to KO Shisami. Shisami most likely trained with Freeza and caught up to the level of Piccolo.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:37 am

Sadala Elite wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 am
- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?
1. SsjB is so much stronger than SsjG. Blue was able to make Jiren move (109) and Ikari Broly to actually to struggle. He wins with low to mid difficulty.

2. I have BoG Piccolo at Ssj2 Gohan (Cell Games) level. So, he slaughters.

3. The team wins. Base Black was just able to tank some damage from SsjB Vegeta, before transforming. The three at the time are low ssjB level. They beat him with mid-difficulty.

4. Base Gotenks is Ssj2 level. He slaughters.

5. MUI Goku at the beginning of Z would be around Ssj3 level. Unless he gets stronger through out the series, he can maybe beat Buu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:39 am

New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:44 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:39 am
New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?
- Without Goku's emotional support, I think this Gohan can lose to Cell.

- Dabura stomps.

- Majin Vegeta. Basil is low base Saiyan tier.

- Base Slug one-shots them all, no need for his giant form.

- Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Peach » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:28 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:39 am
New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?
1. Gohan. Even if he bulked up during their beam struggle
2. Dabura.
3. Majin Vegeta, but it might be difficult
4. Ginyu could steal his body easily with all that help.

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