The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Mad Swami]

-Cell. I think Dabura was compared to regular Perfect Cell, because SS Gohan put up a good fight with him, if Dabura was like SP Cell, Gohan without SS2 would've been toasted. Also Gohan was stronger during the Cell Games when he had much trouble against Cell. Close fight though, Dabura has those weird tricks.

Fair enough, however didn't Gohan use SSJ2?

The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.

Oh ok thanks

[Sadala Elite]

Fair enough, however didn't Gohan use SSJ2?

The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.

Oh ok thanks

The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.

[Mad Swami]

The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.

Oh ok thanks

The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.

oh ok so he did use ssj2

[Berserker1921]

New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?

[Peach]

Whatever form of Cell is compared to Dabura vs Dabura

I think it's Super Perfect Cell since that was the strongest and latest form of him so why use one half as strong, especially since Goku and Vegeta felt that power firsthand. Goku from the afterlife and Vegeta literally right in front.

However I know some think the comment refers to just Perfect Cell, so idk

Super Perfect Cell vs. Dabura? Definitely Cell. Cell's regeneration and techniques give him the edge.

He can rip off any limbs that Dabura spits on. Once he realizes Dabura's power, there's no way he lets it spread to the lump in his head.

[Peach]

Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)

[Thunderbird]

God of Destruction Toppo vs Super Saiyan 2 Kefla

[Triggered Vegeta]

SSBE Vegeta(Top)(Final Atonement) vs SS Broly

[dragonball0900]

Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)

Chi Chi stomps.

[Koitsukai]

The manga has Gohan as SS, no sparks or anything. The anime can portray forms unfaithfully from time to time but the manga never did, there Gohan looks SS. In the anime I think he looks SS as well.

Oh ok thanks

The Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guides both confirmed that Gohan used SSJ2 against Dabura in both versions (the hair is the proof). Toriyama simply forgot to draw the lightning, and as a result Toei didnt either.

Mmm I see, still prefer to go with the original source, when he attacks Buu's egg he isn't SS2 either. I don't think he forgot there again.

New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?

1- Saganbo.
2- 7/3 with post-ToP Gohan should take it.
3- I think Jiren needs to power up
4- Toppo. In his base he faced Gohan and 17 with ease. Throw in Dyspo and probably he is in trouble, but make him GoD and he takes them out.
5- I'm going with FP Broly

Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)

I think Videl. She can fly, at least she has that edge.

God of Destruction Toppo vs Super Saiyan 2 Kefla

Toppo

SSBE Vegeta(Top)(Final Atonement) vs SS Broly

I don't know if Broly dies but he gets seriously injured.

[GatoF]

Chi-Chi vs. Videl

(Chi-Chi from the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament)

This chi-chi have a power level of 130 that is almost the same power level as master roshi(139).

Videl has no chance.

[Zamasu55]

New Fights

1. Powered Up Saganbo vs Toppo (No GoD)?

2. 7/3 (piccolo/Gohan) vs LS Dyspo?

3. Jiren (110) vs Ssj Gogeta (Broly)?

4. 17, 7/3 (Gohan/Piccolo), Dyspo vs GoD Toppo (ToP Rules)?

5. Vegito Blue (Black) vs FP Broly?

- Pass.
From now on I'll try to avoid mixing anime and manga. They're two separate things, too different from one another.

- See above.

- That Jiren is beyond the following characters: Belmod, Beerus (probably), Merged Zamasu, SsjB Vegetto. Gogeta isn't.

- Pass.

- This could be an interesting fight. Broly was no match for Gogeta, but he can give this Vegetto trouble. Imo.

[Sadala Elite]

- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?

[Peach]

- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?

Wasn't Piccolo struggling with a Dodoria level guy in Resurrection F?

Seems he got weaker since Cell and didn't get stronger until the end of Super.

[Koitsukai]

- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?

1) hard to tell because we haven't seen Goku fight, but I'd go with SSB. I don't think he got over 50x stronger to overcome the gap between the forms, specially if he has been training UI.

2) I'd like to believe Piccolo is Cell Games SS Goku tier by BoG.

3) Base Black without the scythe seemed like he could withstand quite a lot from SSB Vegeta. With a scythe and vs a weaker SSB, he should have the edge.

4) I feel Android 16 would've been one-shot by Fat Buu, and although base Gotenks got stomped, I don't think that was actually something 16 could survive. Perfect Cell blew him up to pieces without even trying.

5) well, let's say MUI is SSB+SSB(equal to Gogeta), then it depends on how strong you think SSB is. Lowballing SSB (4,000x), early Z MUI Goku's ceiling would be somehere below SS2 Gohan vs SP Cell.

[MainJPW]

Wasn't Piccolo struggling with a Dodoria level guy in Resurrection F?

Seems he got weaker since Cell and didn't get stronger until the end of Super.

No? Gohan had to go Super Saiyan to KO Shisami. Shisami most likely trained with Freeza and caught up to the level of Piccolo.

[Berserker1921]

- SSG Goku (current) vs SSB Goku (Start of ToP)

- Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (BoG)

- Base Black (at his peak w/scythe) vs SSB Goku/Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)

- Base Gotenks (Buu Saga, post-Rosat) vs Android 16

And if Goku at the start of Z had MUI, who is the strongest character he could beat?

1. SsjB is so much stronger than SsjG. Blue was able to make Jiren move (109) and Ikari Broly to actually to struggle. He wins with low to mid difficulty.

2. I have BoG Piccolo at Ssj2 Gohan (Cell Games) level. So, he slaughters.

3. The team wins. Base Black was just able to tank some damage from SsjB Vegeta, before transforming. The three at the time are low ssjB level. They beat him with mid-difficulty.

4. Base Gotenks is Ssj2 level. He slaughters.

5. MUI Goku at the beginning of Z would be around Ssj3 level. Unless he gets stronger through out the series, he can maybe beat Buu.

[Berserker1921]

New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?

[Zamasu55]

New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?

- Without Goku's emotional support, I think this Gohan can lose to Cell.

- Dabura stomps.

- Majin Vegeta. Basil is low base Saiyan tier.

- Base Slug one-shots them all, no need for his giant form.

- Goku.

[Peach]

New Fights

1. SP Cell (buff) vs Injured Ssj2 Gohan?

2. Darbura vs Tagoma?

3. Basil vs Majin Vegeta?

4. Giant Slug vs Frieza Force (Ginyu Force, Zarbon, Dodoria, and the rest from the Namek saga. No Frieza)?

5. Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (Buu)?

1. Gohan. Even if he bulked up during their beam struggle
2. Dabura.
3. Majin Vegeta, but it might be difficult
4. Ginyu could steal his body easily with all that help.