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Post by MyVisionity » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:01 pm

10gigtriforce wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 pm How can piccolo regenerate basically from the neck down, but king piccolo couldn't regenerate from a hole in the chest? Cause he was tapped out?
I wouldn't think that Piccolo would be able to regenerate his internal organs. Missing limbs sure.

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:39 pm

10gigtriforce wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 pm How can piccolo regenerate basically from the neck down, but king piccolo couldn't regenerate from a hole in the chest? Cause he was tapped out?
Likely because Toriyama was making things up as he went, and he hadn't thought of Namekian regeneration yet. Heck, he probably hadn't even thought up Namekians yet. It's the same reason Cell can survive being blown in half because of "Piccolo's cells," even though Piccolo was never able to do that.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:48 pm

10gigtriforce wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 pm How can piccolo regenerate basically from the neck down, but king piccolo couldn't regenerate from a hole in the chest? Cause he was tapped out?
My assumption has always been that DKP put his entire essence into Piccolo's egg so he couldn't regenerate, and also why he just exploded.

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MyVisionity wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:01 pm
10gigtriforce wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 pm How can piccolo regenerate basically from the neck down, but king piccolo couldn't regenerate from a hole in the chest? Cause he was tapped out?
I wouldn't think that Piccolo would be able to regenerate his internal organs. Missing limbs sure.
he did it in the buu saga though thats why its weird. but yeah I'm guessing he was too tapped out at the time.

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Post by Desassina » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:28 pm

I like to think that, with more power, comes better regeneration.

Semi-Perfect Cell exploded at a level that I would consider to be Piccolo's in the Cell Games or the Majin Boo arc. He regenerated from it and recovered his perfect form. As "Super" Perfect Cell, he would be able to regenerate from small pieces, like Majin Boo at a loss. Instead of being percentual, I like to think of it taking a toll on Piccolo Daimao, as a fixed value for which he did not have the power.

Out of universe, it represents Toriyama's change in direction, inherited by different characters like he once did, when Pure Boo's origin was retconned, and it looked like Beers's in role.

Here's a side question: shouldn't Bra have been translated as a pun of Pull-up instead of Bulla? Edit: damn it, the format of spoilers is too close to the text.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 pm

Desassina wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:28 pm Here's a side question: shouldn't Bra have been translated as a pun of Pull-up instead of Bulla? Edit: damn it, the format of spoilers is too close to the text.
Funimation: We can’t keep her name as Bra. 12-year old boys might do an internet search and discover that women wear bras. Hmmmm Bulma......Bulla.

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:26 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:13 pm
Desassina wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:28 pm Here's a side question: shouldn't Bra have been translated as a pun of Pull-up instead of Bulla? Edit: damn it, the format of spoilers is too close to the text.
Funimation: We can’t keep her name as Bra. 12-year old boys might do an internet search and discover that women wear bras. Hmmmm Bulma......Bulla.
Which to me is fine, pronunciation wise because if you think about it, if a Japanese person were to say "Bulla" it'll sound like "Bra" anyway.
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Post by Desassina » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:45 pm

Alright, what is her manga name, then? That ought to be less kid friendly and not by Funimation.

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Desassina wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:45 pm Alright, what is her manga name, then? That ought to be less kid friendly and not by Funimation.
Bra. Her name is Bra. Bulla is the stupid name Funi came up with.

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Post by Witty User Name » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:11 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pm
Desassina wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:45 pm Alright, what is her manga name, then? That ought to be less kid friendly and not by Funimation.
Bra. Her name is Bra. Bulla is the stupid name Funi came up with.
Wow, I didn't know that. FUNi can outdo themselves from time to time...

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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:21 pm

Witty User Name wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:11 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pm
Desassina wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:45 pm Alright, what is her manga name, then? That ought to be less kid friendly and not by Funimation.
Bra. Her name is Bra. Bulla is the stupid name Funi came up with.
Wow, I didn't know that. FUNi can outdo themselves from time to time...

I remember reading episodes and plot synopsis of the Boo saga and GT online well before Funi got to them so when Funi finally got to GT and renamed Bra Bulla I was like wtf?

Like Bulla will never sound right to me because I knew her as Bra even when I was strictly a Toonami dubbie

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:21 pm
Witty User Name wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:11 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pm

Bra. Her name is Bra. Bulla is the stupid name Funi came up with.
Wow, I didn't know that. FUNi can outdo themselves from time to time...

I remember reading episodes and plot synopsis of the Boo saga and GT online well before Funi got to them so when Funi finally got to GT and renamed Bra Bulla I was like wtf?

Like Bulla will never sound right to me because I knew her as Bra even when I was strictly a Toonami dubbie
Do you feel the same way about “Bulma” instead of “Blooma” or “Bloomer” since that is her name after all. It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 am

goku the krump dancer wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:21 pm
Witty User Name wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:11 pm

Wow, I didn't know that. FUNi can outdo themselves from time to time...

I remember reading episodes and plot synopsis of the Boo saga and GT online well before Funi got to them so when Funi finally got to GT and renamed Bra Bulla I was like wtf?

Like Bulla will never sound right to me because I knew her as Bra even when I was strictly a Toonami dubbie
Do you feel the same way about “Bulma” instead of “Blooma” or “Bloomer” since that is her name after all. It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
No because she was always known as Bulma to me.

Also considering Bulma is written in English in many of her outfits and the Viz manga and English subtitles for the Japanese dub use Bulma let’s not pretend for a second that it’s even remotely comparable.

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Post by MyVisionity » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:24 am

goku the krump dancer wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
Besides the case of "Bulma" being written out all over the place in the manga/anime, most English speaking audiences probably have no clue what "bloomers", or rather buruma actually are to begin with. So I doubt that would have factored into Funi's decision-making the way it would have with Bra.

Also, I'm pretty sure that buruma are indeed considered "sexy" by many in Japan.

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Post by Desassina » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:06 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pmBra. Her name is Bra. Bulla is the stupid name Funi came up with.
I would prefer the Bra transcription of bura to be translated into Pull-up to be honest. Just like Kefla was assumed directly from kefura, Funimation decided to switch the 'r' for a set of 'ls' in Vegeta's daughter, hence Bulla and not Bra. Since the pun is to be kept, at least Pull-up would be our English equivalent, although it needs a different written form. Pulla?

Do you remember Viz's Pocus instead of Pui Pui? The translators got the idea of magic spells down and decided to adapt the pun's meaning by changing the name. This kind of translation is fine to me. Herms has once suggested that Shin-jins were actually Pit-people instead of Core beings for example. They came from an apple's pit or the Kaioshin realm's core.
goku the krump dancer wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am Do you feel the same way about “Bulma” instead of “Blooma” or “Bloomer” since that is her name after all. It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
Bulma is just a direct translation from buruma without going through transcription in the same manner that they changed the 'r' for the 'l' in many cases. It should be transcribed into Blooma and kept as Bloomer in translation (just like going from Coola to Cooler) since I hate Bulma when it's read with the sound of ball-muh.

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Post by Witty User Name » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:46 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 am
goku the krump dancer wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:21 pm


I remember reading episodes and plot synopsis of the Boo saga and GT online well before Funi got to them so when Funi finally got to GT and renamed Bra Bulla I was like wtf?

Like Bulla will never sound right to me because I knew her as Bra even when I was strictly a Toonami dubbie
Do you feel the same way about “Bulma” instead of “Blooma” or “Bloomer” since that is her name after all. It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
No because she was always known as Bulma to me.

Also considering Bulma is written in English in many of her outfits and the Viz manga and English subtitles for the Japanese dub use Bulma let’s not pretend for a second that it’s even remotely comparable.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but I always have thought that people who use/say ''Bloomer'' are kind of pretentious...like, why go wy out of your way to find the most appropriate way to spell/say/transcribe a character's name from a, as ww have know for a while now, ''silly 80's Japanese cartoon''. :lol:

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Post by Desassina » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:57 am

You kind of addressed the person without pointing to him. And yes, it was disrespectful, but you can have your ball-munch :P

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:54 am

Witty User Name wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:46 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 am
goku the krump dancer wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am

Do you feel the same way about “Bulma” instead of “Blooma” or “Bloomer” since that is her name after all. It’s a dub change that most likely served the same purpose as Bra to Bulla yet Bloomers are a helluva lot less sexy than even the most basic freakin sports bra.
No because she was always known as Bulma to me.

Also considering Bulma is written in English in many of her outfits and the Viz manga and English subtitles for the Japanese dub use Bulma let’s not pretend for a second that it’s even remotely comparable.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but I always have thought that people who use/say ''Bloomer'' are kind of pretentious...like, why go wy out of your way to find the most appropriate way to spell/say/transcribe a character's name from a, as ww have know for a while now, ''silly 80's Japanese cartoon''. :lol:
I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “pretentious” but I always found it silly when people insist on calling her Bloomer or Blooma. When all official sources (including the manga artwork!) call her Bulma. Calling her Bloomer/Blooma to me is like calling Goku ...Wukong.

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Post by Alruneia » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:44 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:54 am
Witty User Name wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:46 am Not trying to sound disrespectful, but I always have thought that people who use/say ''Bloomer'' are kind of pretentious...like, why go wy out of your way to find the most appropriate way to spell/say/transcribe a character's name from a, as ww have know for a while now, ''silly 80's Japanese cartoon''. :lol:
I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “pretentious” but I always found it silly when people insist on calling her Bloomer or Blooma. When all official sources (including the manga artwork!) call her Bulma. Calling her Bloomer/Blooma to me is like calling Goku ...Wukong.
Clearly the solution here is to just call them ブルマ and 悟空. No need to worry about the most accurate romanisation if you just don't romanise it at all! :P
For me, what matters the most is consistency (for example, don't use "Bulla", a clear Funimation dub name, and then turn around and call Chi-Chi "Milk"), which should be obvious enough, and in second place comes readability. Part of the point of translating is to make things understandable, to enable readers/viewers to follow along despite not knowing the original language. When you leave complex terms untranslated, for example leaving "4-star Dragon Ball" as "Si Xing Qiu" (pronounced "si shing chu" I believe), you're gonna make people have to stop and look it up, and that's too far for my tastes, even if it is more accurate to the source material. What good is accuracy if people don't know what you're saying? (Yes, people will only have to look up each term a few times, but don't give your readers/viewers homework.)
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Post by Desassina » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 pm

I'm perplexed by your signature after what you just said (hint: it has Bulla). I could be interpreting it wrong, like you said that it's fine, so as long as we don't exaggerate with others.

The Portuguese dub used Quica for Chi-Chi and it's fine, because Chi has been translated as Ki, and the sound of her name is Ki-kuh. "Chichi" is piss in our language. Like, I want to pee, which translates to "quero fazer chichi" (the way kids say it). So no, it's not just about creating confusion, because professionals did it in their dubs, but as sophisticated people that we are, we are allowed to come up with better names to amuse ourselves until they become ingrained.

Next question in line with this: would you prefer fusion names to use less separation and concatenation of words and more playful meanings? Example: Beers and Champa fuse into Black Velvet (a drink made of beer and champagne) and not Champeers.

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