What if Yamcha cheated on Bulma with a GUY.

[TheGreatness25]

Also, people break up all the time. Why's there have to be some kind of horrible act by one of the parties to have Bulma move on from Yamucha to Vegeta?

[WittyUsername]

Also, people break up all the time. Why's there have to be some kind of horrible act by one of the parties to have Bulma move on from Yamucha to Vegeta?

Bulma and Yamcha breaking up wouldn’t really matter much on its own, but the idea that she would dump him just because she was smitten with a homicidal space pirate who was indirectly responsible for Yamcha’s death would probably be seen as a pretty questionable decision on Bulma’s end. I’d have to assume that Toriyama was probably looking for an excuse to have them break up that wouldn’t make Bulma seem like an asshole and/or an idiot, hence why we had a throwaway line about Yamcha not being a faithful partner.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Yamcha got cucked by Vegeta's cooking. The way to a woman's heart is through her stomach, not diamonds.

I'd love to see this in comic form. Bulma is enjoying an amazing meal Vegeta made and then he nonchalantly explains he came up with the recipe while trying to make some alien species more digestible. And then he keeps doing that throughout their relationship even when the recipe is something he saw on Rachel Ray

I don’t think the manga would even bother implying that Yamcha cheated on Bulma, if Toriyama didn’t have any concern regarding how Trunks’ existence would reflect on Bulma’s character. By the time the Cell arc came around, Toriyama seemed to try and make Bulma the voice of reason of the cast, so it’s not a stretch to imagine that he was looking for a convenient excuse for her to dump Yamcha for Vegeta that wouldn’t make her look like the bad guy.

Android Era Bulma is when she starts adopting a lot of her more mature traits. She's a lot less vain and self-serving than she had been in previous arcs. No idea if that was a conscious choice on Toriyama's part but if Bulma had just randomly fallen for Vegeta, a troll faced murderer and the opposite of her type up until this point, it would have seriously undermined that shift.

Personally I've always (well not always. Maybe for like six or so years) wondered if it wasn't something pitched by Kondo. Woman suffering from a philandering boyfriend falls into the arm of a tragic loner with a dark past sounds like the kinda thing you'd see in a romance novel.

[Rory]

Not got too much to add here, besides the act of conflating being gay and being afraid of women is pretty yikes.

[TheSeductiveTomato]

Didn't Dragon Ball Z start with Yamicha having cheated on Bulma? Like... episode two? Or was that a dubism? I can't remember at this point.

Dub-ism. In episode 2 she said was mad at him but wouldn’t say why then in episode 10 we found out he stood her up because he was broke.

Which still doesn't make any sense because he had baseball money, no? Unless his baseball career is exclusively filler material?

[MasenkoHA]

Didn't Dragon Ball Z start with Yamicha having cheated on Bulma? Like... episode two? Or was that a dubism? I can't remember at this point.

Dub-ism. In episode 2 she said was mad at him but wouldn’t say why then in episode 10 we found out he stood her up because he was broke.

Which still doesn't make any sense because he had baseball money, no? Unless his baseball career is exclusively filler material?

His baseball career (or at least the entire scene with him as a baseball player) was anime exclusive material.

I don’t think we even find out why Bulma was mad at him in the manga though? She’s just mad at him for some reason as a reason for why he’s not at Kame House reunion with her and then she’a distraught over his death.

The anime added the whole “stood up because broke thing” and the Funi dub added took a girl with a conspicuously anglo-saxon first and last name to a concert.

[jjgp1112]

Well we see in the Red Ribbon arc that Bulma's insecure about Yamaha receiving female attention period. And since Yamcha is so nervous around women it probably makes him very passive and unassertive around if they're fawning over him. So instead of saying something along the lines of "Hey I have a girlfriend" he's just kind of a stuttering mess. Easy for Bulma and her insecurities to misconstrue it as playing the field.

Or shit, maybe Yamcha WAS cheating in an attempt to prove that he CAN overcome his fear and get girls and wasnt just lucky to stumble into Bulma. That "Do I still have it?" insecurity - or in Yamcha's case, "Do I have it all?" - is a big factor in people in stable long term relationships eventually cheating.

[TobyS]

The recent video game Kakarot has him being a cheater at least as far back as the Saiyan arc where he two-times Bulma with multiple women including two women named Pearl and Sapphire. It is side material but as close to a concrete answer as you will get.

The idea that he is a womanizer that is afraid of women is funny but it isn't something that appears in anything about that interview. Unless you stretch it to fear of commitment.

Toriyama did supply some "backstories" and tidbits to kakarot. But not every little side story in the game.

Games are not canon.

His fear of women was completly debilitating, not just being shy. It's implausible he could cheat with that as a barrier.
Toryiama said he's a cheater but he also said he never got over that fear. Toriyama is just forgetfull and inconsistent.

We know Yamahca has a girlfriend in the late cell saga. So his fear must have died down from the very early dragonball days.

[TobyS]

Also, people break up all the time. Why's there have to be some kind of horrible act by one of the parties to have Bulma move on from Yamucha to Vegeta?

Because Vegeta is a unrepentant Genocider who ordered the murder of Yamcha and everyone else she knew growing up.

It's really fucked up but Toriyama doesn't dwell on stuff like that so...

[JulieYBM]

Sometimes a girl needs that capital D (Delicious Cocking).

[FoolsGil]

Why's there have to be some kind of horrible act by one of the parties to have Bulma move on from Yamucha to Vegeta?

Because Vegeta has been committing genocide since he was a child, and indirectly got Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo killed, and almost killed Goku, Krillin, Yajirobe, Gohan, and almost destroyed the Earth. There was no way in hell to sell Bulma moving on to a beast would ever be considered kosher...but we gotta get Super Saiyan Future Trunks so "uh Yamcha cheated I guess" and that's supposed to take the heat off of Bulma.

Vegebul shippers don't talk about that.

Who was it that said Vegeta should have hooked up with Launch? Was it MistaireFusion? Would have been a good way to bring her back, Blue Haired Launch would be ignorant to what Vegeta did, Blonde Haired Launch wouldn't give a shit, would've been great.

[JulieYBM]

Of all the discussions to take seriously "Blooma fucked a genocidal cunt" is not one I think we should be taking with any grain of salt in the same comic where an centuries old man kept trying to fuck her for most of t he series up to that point.

I mean, are we really going to dictate to a fictional characters how she should operate her sexuality?

[FoolsGil]

Of all the discussions to take seriously "Blooma fucked a genocidal cunt" is not one I think we should be taking with any grain of salt in the same comic where an centuries old man kept trying to fuck her for most of t he series up to that point.

I mean, are we really going to dictate to a fictional characters how she should operate her sexuality?

He asked a question. he got an answer. It's valid. Genocidal monster > Pervert. Both should be in jail if that helps.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Considering that Vegeta has not only been reformed, but been instrumental in saving far more people than he ever killed, I think he deserves some slack.

[Matches Malone]

Vegeta indirectly got Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo killed, and almost killed Goku, Krillin, Yajirobe, Gohan, and almost destroyed the Earth.

Indirectly isn't the same as killing them, that was Nappa. When it comes to everyone else, Gohan Krillin, and Yajirobe were just roughed up a bit, so you can look at it as the equivalent of harsh training. Sure he broke Goku's legs and possibly every other bone, but if he didn't someone else would've. You could bring up the Namakians he killed, and to that I say, Freeza would've killed them if he didn't, so they'd die anyway. So really, Vegeta's not that bad of a guy when you look at things this way. When it comes to Yamcha though, if it wasn't Vegeta, it just would've been someone else, so it might as well be Vegeta.

[WittyUsername]

Considering that Vegeta has not only been reformed, but been instrumental in saving far more people than he ever killed, I think he deserves some slack.

He wasn’t really reformed when Bulma first slept with him.

[FoolsGil]

Considering that Vegeta has not only been reformed, but been instrumental in saving far more people than he ever killed, I think he deserves some slack.

Forgive but don't forget

Vegeta indirectly got Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo killed, and almost killed Goku, Krillin, Yajirobe, Gohan, and almost destroyed the Earth.

Indirectly isn't the same as killing them, that was Nappa. When it comes to everyone else, Gohan Krillin, and Yajirobe were just roughed up a bit, so you can look at it as the equivalent of harsh training. Sure he broke Goku's legs and possibly every other bone, but if he didn't someone else would've. You could bring up the Namakians he killed, and to that I say, Freeza would've killed them if he didn't, so they'd die anyway. So really, Vegeta's not that bad of a guy when you look at things this way. When it comes to Yamcha though, if it wasn't Vegeta, it just would've been someone else, so it might as well be Vegeta.

Look I get it. Vegeta is sexy. Bulma is sexy. They make Future Trunks, one of the sexiest characters in the series. And Vegeta has a backstory and all this angst, I get it, and by Super sure I no longer hate Vegeta. But that doesn't erase what he did. He came to Earth, got half of the main cast killed. the other half of the main cast got roughed up instead of being killed which he wanted to do. Goku would have been in traction for years without senzu.

Now he's reformed. Sure, he has a great family sure. That doesn't erase anything. So when Vegebul shippers ask "Why do people give Bulma a hard time about Vegeta and Yamcha?" That's why. Being a fan, truly, doesn't mean you blot out the things you don't like. It means accepting what happened and loving the ship in spite of it. Like what you like, but don't query why people don't forget.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Considering that Vegeta has not only been reformed, but been instrumental in saving far more people than he ever killed, I think he deserves some slack.

Vegeta's mostly reformed now. But at the time he was still laughing about murdering an entire Namekian village. The story treats people like Tenshinhan and Yamcha as if their concerns are petty but being distrustful of Vegeta was perfectly rational at that part of the story.

Indirectly isn't the same as killing them, that was Nappa. When it comes to everyone else, Gohan Krillin, and Yajirobe were just roughed up a bit, so you can look at it as the equivalent of harsh training. Sure he broke Goku's legs and possibly every other bone, but if he didn't someone else would've. You could bring up the Namakians he killed, and to that I say, Freeza would've killed them if he didn't, so they'd die anyway. So really, Vegeta's not that bad of a guy when you look at things this way. When it comes to Yamcha though, if it wasn't Vegeta, it just would've been someone else, so it might as well be Vegeta.

I'm sorry but this line of defense feels weak. Ordering a murder is still ethically and legally as vile as carrying out the murder yourself. Torturing someone isn't a light crime and murdering a group of people for your own selfish reasons can't just be brushed aside. It does not matter than another person intended to commit similar crimes. Vegeta's actions were unambigiously evil and there was nothing to mitigate just how evil they were. He was never under duress. He enjoyed a comfortable life under Freeza (better than most soldiers get in our real world militaries) and his actions were motivated by a desire to usurp Freeza's position.

[jjgp1112]

Vegeta indirectly got Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo killed, and almost killed Goku, Krillin, Yajirobe, Gohan, and almost destroyed the Earth.

Indirectly isn't the same as killing them, that was Nappa. When it comes to everyone else, Gohan Krillin, and Yajirobe were just roughed up a bit, so you can look at it as the equivalent of harsh training. Sure he broke Goku's legs and possibly every other bone, but if he didn't someone else would've. You could bring up the Namakians he killed, and to that I say, Freeza would've killed them if he didn't, so they'd die anyway. So really, Vegeta's not that bad of a guy when you look at things this way. When it comes to Yamcha though, if it wasn't Vegeta, it just would've been someone else, so it might as well be Vegeta.

Just because other people would've also done these terrible things doesn't mean Vegeta wasn't any less terrible for doing them himself. We're talking about what actually happened, not hypotheticals. This is a baffling viewpoint.

[Matches Malone]

This is a baffling viewpoint.

That's because it is, my wording clearly shows I'm not serious.