Vegeta after Namek

[GoodboiRaditz]

I am rewatching Z and i got to the end of Freeza arc and something bothered me and that is the character of Vegeta , in the Namek saga at his very best he could tolerate the Earthlings and he even said that he would kill them after Freeza is dealt with and suddenly he'a hanging around Capsule Corp for a year waiting for Goku , this decision made no sense i get he wanted to know the super Saiyan power but why would the same man whom just weeks ago tried to end life on Earth suddenly walking freely and why didn't he wish for eternal life and took over Earth until his meeting with Goku , it just seemed odd that he just was there .

[Lionel]

What all did Vegeta claim to aspire for besides defeating Freeza? His expressed hope to Nappa of using the Dragon Balls to acquire immortality for the pleasure of engaging in "endless combat" is some of the best insight we have for his desires. Also, he described how he didn't wish to be subject to Freeza for the remainder of his life. Since, in Vegeta's mind, Freeza represented the greatest challenge in both matters, what purpose would there be in acquiring immortality except for the prospect of existing in the living world indefinitely? I suppose there is the final hope of challenging Beerus but other than that, Vegeta would have progressed higher than anyone his mind can think of under those myopic circumstances.

I'm not sure if Vegeta held any prospects of usurping the Planet Trade Organisation. Moreover, with its ranks decimated thanks to the events of the Freeza arc, Vegeta would have his hands full just keeping planets in line.

Goku appealed to him because he represented the most viable challenge and pedestal for Vegeta to claim. If wanton slaughter is what he fancies then he can rest assured in the inevitability of every other species being wiped out eventually, should he become immortal. What then? I guess a "last man on Earth" scenario where he eventually is driven insane from isolation. Maybe he attempts to kill himself in a futile gesture after having an epiphany about the misery of unending solitude? Maybe I'm giving Freeza/Cell arc Vegeta's psyche too much credit, though.

[GoodboiRaditz]

What all did Vegeta claim to aspire for besides defeating Freeza? His expressed hope to Nappa of using the Dragon Balls to acquire immortality for the pleasure of engaging in "endless combat" is some of the best insight we have for his desires. Also, he described how he didn't wish to be subject to Freeza for the remainder of his life. Since, in Vegeta's mind, Freeza represented the greatest challenge in both matters, what purpose would there be in acquiring immortality except for the prospect of existing in the living world indefinitely? I suppose there is the final hope of challenging Beerus but other than that, Vegeta would have progressed higher than anyone his mind can think of under those myopic circumstances.

I'm not sure if Vegeta held any prospects of usurping the Planet Trade Organisation. Moreover, with its ranks decimated thanks to the events of the Freeza arc, Vegeta would have his hands full just keeping planets in line.

Goku appealed to him because he represented the most viable challenge and pedestal for Vegeta to claim. If wanton slaughter is what he fancies then he can rest assured in the inevitability of every other species being wiped out eventually, should he become immortal. What then? I guess a "last man on Earth" scenario where he eventually is driven insane from isolation. Maybe he attempts to kill himself in a futile gesture after having an epiphany about the misery of unending solitude? Maybe I'm giving Freeza/Cell arc Vegeta's psyche too much credit, though.

If i recall correctly , the main reason he wanted the wish , not just to beat Freeza and be done with it , he wanted to replace him as ruler of the empire , he stated that a lot of times in the race of Dragon balls , it'es just weird that he had some sort of change of heart afterbeen revived , he's not even hating on the earthlings anymore , he treats them like allies or just ignore them .

I am in the middle of the Android arc , and one another flaw i seem to notice about his character that i'd like to share with you , Vegeta seemed like a very cunning warrior in the Saiyan/Freeza arcs ,you could see him plan his every move and not being reckless and full of pride , I feel he turned into an idiot in the Android saga to the point of being very annoying , it's like he's a different man from before and not in a better way .

[Lionel]

Confidence in his newfound position as the second strongest in the universe (discounting Beerus)? Frequent zenkais netted Vegeta the power he needed to become unopposed by anyone except the Super Saiyan himself, Goku. True, a hybrid's potential strength was an unknown albeit daunting quantity to Vegeta. Gohan is a good-natured child who doesn't appear to bear Vegeta any ill-will, though. Piccolo couldn't fully oppose him until he bridged the gap in their strengths. Anyone else is too weak to be considered.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vegeta became just a little complacent from the mercy he had been shown at the end of the Saiyan arc -- he's also living without cost with one of the wealthiest and most prestigious families on Earth because of Bulma's interest/kindness towards him. Maybe that left an impression? Come to think of it, he allowed both Krillin and Gohan to live midway through the Namek arc despite having no substantial reason to do so at the time; this after having vowed to return to Earth and kill them all. Perhaps Vegeta mellowed out enough to tolerate them as he was preoccupied with something greater? Being former brothers-in-arms against the Ginyu Force and Freeza may have also had a role in this.

Now as to Vegeta's modus operandi in the Cell arc compared to before -- I have to agree that it is glaringly different. My best explanation is that on Namek, Vegeta knew that he was both outnumbered and outmatched. Rather than engage head-on like he did when he was drunk on his own euphoric power believing himself to be the greatest in the Cell arc, the Vegeta of the Freeza arc was a self-comprehending realist who understood his weaknesses next to Freeza and his elite soldiers. In order to play to what strength he did have, he stuck to ambush guerrilla tactics, picking off Freeza's men one at a time and later on making allies when the situation called for it. All of that is a far-cry to the man who, in his mind, thought he was sitting on top of the world by having become his race's legendary warrior with SSJ.

[Mad Swami]

I am rewatching Z and i got to the end of Freeza arc and something bothered me and that is the character of Vegeta , in the Namek saga at his very best he could tolerate the Earthlings and he even said that he would kill them after Freeza is dealt with and suddenly he'a hanging around Capsule Corp for a year waiting for Goku , this decision made no sense i get he wanted to know the super Saiyan power but why would the same man whom just weeks ago tried to end life on Earth suddenly walking freely and why didn't he wish for eternal life and took over Earth until his meeting with Goku , it just seemed odd that he just was there .

I can't remember if it's canon to the manga but Vegeta steals a Capsule Corps ship and searches for Goku in space so that he can learn more about SSJ. If not canon I still don't have any issues with him crashing on Earth because Piccolo was around and I like to think Tien reached a point where he and Piccolo combined could take Vegeta. Not to mention he'd be a fool to deny the training equipment of Bulma and Capsule Corps

[Matches Malone]

I think his death played a major role in him going from complete villain to someone who's willing to live peacefully on earth.

[MechaTrunks]

What all did Vegeta claim to aspire for besides defeating Freeza? His expressed hope to Nappa of using the Dragon Balls to acquire immortality for the pleasure of engaging in "endless combat" is some of the best insight we have for his desires. Also, he described how he didn't wish to be subject to Freeza for the remainder of his life. Since, in Vegeta's mind, Freeza represented the greatest challenge in both matters, what purpose would there be in acquiring immortality except for the prospect of existing in the living world indefinitely? I suppose there is the final hope of challenging Beerus but other than that, Vegeta would have progressed higher than anyone his mind can think of under those myopic circumstances.

I'm not sure if Vegeta held any prospects of usurping the Planet Trade Organisation. Moreover, with its ranks decimated thanks to the events of the Freeza arc, Vegeta would have his hands full just keeping planets in line.

Goku appealed to him because he represented the most viable challenge and pedestal for Vegeta to claim. If wanton slaughter is what he fancies then he can rest assured in the inevitability of every other species being wiped out eventually, should he become immortal. What then? I guess a "last man on Earth" scenario where he eventually is driven insane from isolation. Maybe he attempts to kill himself in a futile gesture after having an epiphany about the misery of unending solitude? Maybe I'm giving Freeza/Cell arc Vegeta's psyche too much credit, though.

If i recall correctly , the main reason he wanted the wish , not just to beat Freeza and be done with it , he wanted to replace him as ruler of the empire , he stated that a lot of times in the race of Dragon balls , it'es just weird that he had some sort of change of heart afterbeen revived , he's not even hating on the earthlings anymore , he treats them like allies or just ignore them .

I am in the middle of the Android arc , and one another flaw i seem to notice about his character that i'd like to share with you , Vegeta seemed like a very cunning warrior in the Saiyan/Freeza arcs ,you could see him plan his every move and not being reckless and full of pride , I feel he turned into an idiot in the Android saga to the point of being very annoying , it's like he's a different man from before and not in a better way .

I think that your problems with Vegeta are related with not really undersanding his true goal.
Vegeta is a warrior, and he wants to be the strongest.
Vegeta's personality evolves 2 times: each one after a crushing defeat/mistake. The first one is when he is killed by Freeza, even if it was out of desperation, he acknoledged Goku as a true saiyan and even as a superior being to him.
Once he is ressurrected, he wants to be a SSJ like Goku and fight him and defeat him, that's why he stays in the earth. As it's explained in the Bu saga, that softened him, but once he unlocked his SSJ (the SSJ -when unmastered- makes you more violent) he regressed back to his prick self, coupled with an extra dose of arrogance coming from the fact that he has achieved the SSJ form as well (and he did it out of desperation, imagine how euforic he had to be).

The Vegeta in Namek was calculating every step he made because he already knew he was facing stronger foes, but in the Androids saga and as a SSJ he has no reason to be like that and he resembles more Vegeta in the earth before Goku uses the KKx3 and surpases him.


Regards!

[Sadala Elite]

What all did Vegeta claim to aspire for besides defeating Freeza? His expressed hope to Nappa of using the Dragon Balls to acquire immortality for the pleasure of engaging in "endless combat" is some of the best insight we have for his desires. Also, he described how he didn't wish to be subject to Freeza for the remainder of his life. Since, in Vegeta's mind, Freeza represented the greatest challenge in both matters, what purpose would there be in acquiring immortality except for the prospect of existing in the living world indefinitely? I suppose there is the final hope of challenging Beerus but other than that, Vegeta would have progressed higher than anyone his mind can think of under those myopic circumstances.

I'm not sure if Vegeta held any prospects of usurping the Planet Trade Organisation. Moreover, with its ranks decimated thanks to the events of the Freeza arc, Vegeta would have his hands full just keeping planets in line.

Goku appealed to him because he represented the most viable challenge and pedestal for Vegeta to claim. If wanton slaughter is what he fancies then he can rest assured in the inevitability of every other species being wiped out eventually, should he become immortal. What then? I guess a "last man on Earth" scenario where he eventually is driven insane from isolation. Maybe he attempts to kill himself in a futile gesture after having an epiphany about the misery of unending solitude? Maybe I'm giving Freeza/Cell arc Vegeta's psyche too much credit, though.

If i recall correctly , the main reason he wanted the wish , not just to beat Freeza and be done with it , he wanted to replace him as ruler of the empire , he stated that a lot of times in the race of Dragon balls , it'es just weird that he had some sort of change of heart afterbeen revived , he's not even hating on the earthlings anymore , he treats them like allies or just ignore them .

I am in the middle of the Android arc , and one another flaw i seem to notice about his character that i'd like to share with you , Vegeta seemed like a very cunning warrior in the Saiyan/Freeza arcs ,you could see him plan his every move and not being reckless and full of pride , I feel he turned into an idiot in the Android saga to the point of being very annoying , it's like he's a different man from before and not in a better way .

Please lol. Vegeta is only cunning or strategic when he knows from the start that he's outmatched. Otherwise, he'll think he's invincible lmao.

Remember, this is the same guy who in the Namek saga gloated Freeza into transforming into his 2nd form (instead of, you know, try to kill him before he could transform lol). He didn't use any combat strategy against Cui, Dodoria or Zarbon (1st fight) either, and the only time he uses any cunning in the Saiyan saga was against Great Age Gohan.

On the flip side, he was more cautious and less egotistical when fighting any version of Buu, and was the one who came up with the plan that got rid of Kid Buu.

There was no character change after Namek when it comes to this.

[blacksymbiote]

There weren't any dragonballs around to use since they revived him and the ones killed on namek and then wished them to earth. Vegeta saw Goku as a SSJ after his revival and his focus shifted to that in a universe where Frieza no longer controlled him.

[FoolsGil]

In Universe? a lot of stuff happened on Namek. And as much as the Saiyans are supposed to be these battle hardened psychopaths, they still have feelings.

-Vegeta was a soldier/slave since he was a child.
-After pushing himself to his outmost limits, he was still unable to defeat Freeza, who killed him.
-Unable to defeat Freeza, he threw away his pride and gave his last hopes and dreams to Goku to defeat Freeza
-Goku not only defeated Freeza and avenged the Saiyan Race, he became the Super Saiyan, once a myth.
-Vegeta is later resurrected, and now has to dwell on everything that he said or did.
-Now that Freeza is dead, Vegeta is now free...so what does he do with his freedom and his second life?

Frankly, Vegeta didn't come out the same. These six events from start to finish, mentally changed his outlook going forward. Still a bastard. Still a cruel fiend at this point of the story, but his boiling blood settled.

[TobyS]

Yeah Vegeta was only cunning on Namek because he had it drilled in his head undeniably his whole life that Freeza was stronger.

Once he became the "legendary super saiyan" he assumed he was untouchable and has to re-learn the lesson Goku was specifically drilled to know, "there is always someone stronger".