Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

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Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:44 am

Silver haired form is completed Ultra Instinct or Just Ultra instinct. Nothing about the form is mastered.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by God » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:48 am

Anime fanboys love their fan-created terms like SSJ, Mystic, and Omen.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:51 am

God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:48 am Anime fanboys love their fan-created terms like SSJ, Mystic, and Omen.
Ssj and Omen aren't fan terms their shortened versions of offical names.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by God » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:03 am

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:51 am
God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:48 am Anime fanboys love their fan-created terms like SSJ, Mystic, and Omen.
Ssj and Omen aren't fan terms their shortened versions of offical names.
Sign is the official name
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SS is the official acronym
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Omen and SSJ are fan-terms.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:24 am

God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:03 am
miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:51 am
God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:48 am Anime fanboys love their fan-created terms like SSJ, Mystic, and Omen.
Ssj and Omen aren't fan terms their shortened versions of offical names.
Sign is the official name
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SS is the official acronym
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Omen and SSJ are fan-terms.
Omen likely was a translation error then as Omen and Sign have the same name in Japanese.

SSJ is an abbreviation of the Japanese term for Super Saiyan, “スーパーサイヤ人/ Sūpā Saiyajin”. 人/jin and is not a fan term it's an abrivation.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by God » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:28 am

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:24 am SSJ is an abbreviation of the Japanese term for Super Saiyan, “スーパーサイヤ人/ Sūpā Saiyajin”. 人/jin and is not a fan term it's an abrivation.
As I already showed you, and you ignored, SS is the proper term used by English speakers and the Japanese.

SSJ is a fan-created acronym, and an improper one at that considering "jin" is just part of "Saiyajin," and not a thing of its own.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:34 am

God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:28 am
miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:24 am SSJ is an abbreviation of the Japanese term for Super Saiyan, “スーパーサイヤ人/ Sūpā Saiyajin”. 人/jin and is not a fan term it's an abrivation.
As I already showed you, and you ignored, SS is the proper term used by English speakers and the Japanese.

SSJ is a fan-created acronym, and an improper one at that considering "jin" is just part of "Saiyajin," and not a thing of its own.
Jin is apart of several races in Dragonball. I know Namek's have it off the top of my head. Ssj in the case is better than Zenkai, Ultra Super saiyan and Mystic which are fan created names.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by Alruneia » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:08 am

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:34 am
God wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:28 am
miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:24 am SSJ is an abbreviation of the Japanese term for Super Saiyan, “スーパーサイヤ人/ Sūpā Saiyajin”. 人/jin and is not a fan term it's an abrivation.
As I already showed you, and you ignored, SS is the proper term used by English speakers and the Japanese.

SSJ is a fan-created acronym, and an improper one at that considering "jin" is just part of "Saiyajin," and not a thing of its own.
Jin is apart of several races in Dragonball. I know Namek's have it off the top of my head. Ssj in the case is better than Zenkai, Ultra Super saiyan and Mystic which are fan created names.
Yes. Chikyuujin, Namekkuseijin, saiyajin, shinjin, tsufurujin... And Americans are Amerikajin, and Englishmen are Ingurandojin, and Norwegians are Noruejin... 人 (jin) in this context is not its own word, but a suffix that's (pretty literally) equal to the "-man" in "Englishman". In that regard, you could translate サイヤ人 as saiya-man if you wanted. Toriyama...! That's why it should logically be "SS" and not "SSJ".
That said, I wouldn't call "SSJ" a fan term. It's just an inaccurate abbreviation stemming from an imperfect grasp of how 超サイヤ人 is broken down.

To answer the main topic, it's sometimes said that a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth puts on its shoes. I'd say that this is semi-related to that; "MUI" got out there first and spread like wildfire, and correcting it into "UI" now is a slow and often unsuccessful process because it's become a habit to use "MUI".
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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:31 am

The anime did use the term "mastered"/"completed" in reference to the silver-haired Ultra Instinct, mainly because that's what had happened to the form. Goku "mastered" its capabilities.

However, the form has only ever been referred to as Ultra Instinct in its totality. "Mastered" Ultra Instinct had some slight basis that ended up sticking because it was catchy and helped to distinguish better between the complete and incomplete versions.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by Dragon Wukong » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:22 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:51 am Ssj and Omen aren't fan terms their shortened versions of offical names.
Omen is another translation of Sign (as the form is an "omen" of what's to come, or a "sign" of what's coming.) SSJ is a fan term as SS has always been the official abbreviation in both Japan and other countries. Saiyajin is a single word, as jin is a suffix.

And probably because to most people Ultra Instinct Sign/Omen was the first Ultra Instinct, so it was an awkward transition to calling it "Sign" and others viewed it as a "mastered" Ultra Instinct.

Officially speaking though, there's only been Ultra Instinct Sign/Omen, and Ultra Instinct. Any other names are fanmade.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by ankokudaishogun » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:40 pm

it's worth to remember the form was NEVER called "Ultra Instinct - Sign" in the anime when it first appeared, and only in a roundabout manner in the manga(until Moro)

For everybody not using supplemental material like Dokkan Battle units names, UI-Sign would have been "Ultra Instinct" and the white haired version would have been the Mastered\Completed version.

So it stuck, out of habit.

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by Grimlock » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:06 pm

From what I have seen, Dokkan Battle has a weird name convention. Which is why I think it is best to look just at Dragon Ball Heroes (it already gave us "Saiyan beyond God", "Super Saiyan Rage" among others). Since day one the black-haired one is "Ultra Instinct -Sign-" and the silver one is "Ultra Instinct".

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by The Undying » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm

ankokudaishogun wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:40 pm it's worth to remember the form was NEVER called "Ultra Instinct - Sign" in the anime when it first appeared, and only in a roundabout manner in the manga(until Moro)
Viz's translation makes it seem that way, but Whis actually uses the name right after it's introduced.

But since we're presumably talking about the English fandom, it's easy to see why official naming conventions didn't stick for the casual audience. I imagine it will eventually though.
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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by Super Murjin » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:44 pm

Should only be Ultra Instinct , agreed

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Re: Why is it still being called Mastered Ultra instinct?

Post by ankokudaishogun » Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:17 pm

The Undying wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
ankokudaishogun wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:40 pm it's worth to remember the form was NEVER called "Ultra Instinct - Sign" in the anime when it first appeared, and only in a roundabout manner in the manga(until Moro)
Viz's translation makes it seem that way, but Whis actually uses the name right after it's introduced.
I didn't know that. useful.

Not it would change much: that chapter did appear many MONTHS after the anime, which was the main exposition for most.

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