"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

As for Gohan asking for the others to be healed I would just say it’s simply because Gohan puts others before himself

Of course that's what it is. I find it more interesting he was the only one not knocked out by Moro despite being punched in the face.

[Lionel]

My initial impressions of Merus were lukewarm earlier on in the arc. For us, the readers, he was portrayed as this prodigal knight with an explainable knack for combat on a level that seemed out of place with what we know of the Galactic Patrol's martial capabilities at this point in time and how the stakes have continually risen each arc. Toyotaro's unveiling of him as a derelict angel was suggested and it seemed underwhelming. Personally, I will say that this recent chapter made me appreciate Merus more; probably because his characterisation has carried more depth than what is normally seen with the cartoonish faces and quips. Maybe the idea of his becoming enamoured with the universe and its people through his time spent protecting them carries a bit more novelty as Merus originated from a strictly neutralist background in the form of his species' innocuous abstainment from universal affairs. His style of fighting also helped my opinion of him grow as it felt more original compared with the generic fisticuffs we're well aware of by now.

I get the feeling I'm likely going to look back more fondly on this chapter than the climactic fight with Goku predictably achieving MUI and taking Moro down.

[SupremeKai25]

The only thing I dislike about Merus is that people think this is going to change anything sustainably.

Vegeta and Goku got almost everybody killed on Earth during ROF by not taking Freeza seriously and none of the Z fighters cared or said anything about it, why do people it would be different when it comes to gods like Beerus and Whis?

I remember when people thought Goku Black was Goten look at what that lead to. Or Grand Priest being evil or there being some type of stupid rebellion against Zeno, how you going to rebel against a dude who can erase a timeline with ease?

Which is actually the main storyline of the Universal Conflict arc from Super Dragon Ball Heroes, so if a videogame can make it work I'm sure Toyotaro and his friends can figure out a way to write it.

How do we defeat a dude who erase a timeline/multiverse with ease?

Comics reboot for a reason when a character like that appears, that's no higher you can go than that.

You introduce a villain who has even more hax than that (like resistance to erasure). The power-creep in this show is so absurd that it really doesn't seem far-fetched that such a villain could exist.

[Matches Malone]

I do hope Vegeta still has a part to play. He was built up just as much as Goku ( in some ways more) so it would be disappointing if he gets to do nothing more.

I think it's very unlikely he'll just sit on the side, especially after establishing his ability to separate Moro and 7-3.

[ZombieVito]

Man, I really hate manga Beerus. Especially after the fantastic development he had in the anime.

Hopefully Toei doesn't cave in and ruin him if they adapt this hacks arc.

[Kinokima]

I do hope Vegeta still has a part to play. He was built up just as much as Goku ( in some ways more) so it would be disappointing if he gets to do nothing more.

I think it's very unlikely he'll just sit on the side, especially after establishing his ability to separate Moro and 7-3.

I don’t think so either but I already see plenty of people saying that his new ability was useless and he did nothing this arc so even if I can reasonably think you are right I still get upset seeing people say that. Sometimes month long waits until the next chapter are hard

[Alruneia]

If Toyotaro's taking the next chapter where I think he's taking it, the "callback" to Goku's first-ever instance of going Super Saiyan on Namek is actually a pretty clever one and much more than a surface level reference. Merus's goal here was to complete their training, but as clarified earlier, the key to that training is maintaining self-control in the face of a shock to Goku's emotions - the antithesis to Super Saiyan. If Goku proceeds to unlock the completed stage of Ultra Instinct by not getting angry next month, it'd serve as a nice culmination of that particular narrative thread while subverting the idea that it's just a retread of the Freeza arc: Toyotaro isn't just drawing a comparison to that moment, he's contrasting them to lead Goku in the opposite direction. I think that's a reasonable assumption at this point, and damn if it isn't a Toriyama-like beat.

I'm also expecting this exact inversion to happen. Goku will almost "go Super Saiyan", but catch himself, achieve that self-control he needs, and reach UI. Since this seems (to me) like such an obvious thing Toyotaro is doing (unless he isn't, in which case... lol oops), it's very jarring to see all the complaints from people, about how UI has now become just another rage form or whatever, since it's a premature judgment based on something that's not happening.

[Matches Malone]

I already see plenty of people saying that his new ability was useless and he did nothing this arc.

Whoever says this don't know what they're talking about. Even if Vegeta's role is over (which I doubt), he was still the only one able to not only fight Moro, but defeat him as well (before he absorbed 7-3). He was also the only one capable of freeing all of Moro's stolen energy and bringing back some of the Namakians he killed. Vegeta's role here is without a doubt the biggest he's ever gotten, and that's not counting what he may still get in the next 2-3 chapters.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

The Moro situation in itself is a reason why Beerus needs to get replaced....if this is how he acts after all this happened I'd hate to see what'd happen if a threat actually capable of killing Beerus showed up....who knows, he might just ignore it until the fucker comes to him and beats him.

[FortuneSSJ]

I don't really want Goku to get the win.

We'll get one of two endings, both of which I'll be fine with:

1- Goku obliterates Moro with MUI.

2- Vegeta separates him and 7-3 after Goku's done wiping the floor with him, followed by Vegeta killing Moro and goku killing 7-3.

Regardless of what we get, this was a great arc, and one that takes the franchise in the right direction.

Don't really want the first one, but I would take the second one. Still wish Buu played a role in the final battle though.

Anyway unless Toyotaro drops the ball now, I also think he is doing a great job. It's by far one the best story arcs this franchise had after the original manga ended. As for the pacing, I don't blame him because I'm pretty sure the order to drag this came from someone above.

[Matches Malone]

As for the pacing, I don't blame him because I'm pretty sure the order to drag this came from someone above.

I don't either, as it seems like he was told to pace the arc out to end in November, so that the next one starts in December alongside Jump Festa.

[ChronoTwigger]

Mumble... mastering UI is such an essential plot point (and whatever consequences there will be for Merus obliteration) that this arc will be quite surely animated - if not by episodes by a movie.
I hate such fragmentation...

It's strange to notice how you could have entirely removed Red&Blue, starting instead by Moro arc (getting SSRed), then Zamasu (rationalized, getting SSBlue), then ToP (getting MUI), and probably Super could have been better.

[Kinokima]

I already see plenty of people saying that his new ability was useless and he did nothing this arc.

Whoever says this don't know what they're talking about. Even if Vegeta's role is over (which I doubt), he was still the only one able to not only fight Moro, but defeat him as well (before he absorbed 7-3). He was also the only one capable of freeing all of Moro's stolen energy and bringing back some of the Namakians he killed. Vegeta's role here is without a doubt the biggest he's ever gotten, and that's not counting what he may still get in the next 2-3 chapters.

Oh I don’t disagree with you but it would be nice if he had more impact on the ending. And in the end he would have beat Moro if Moro didn’t cheat he still didn’t beat Moro

Also it would just be nice to have a Goku and Vegeta win for once against a major villain that didn’t involve fusion


I did like that he brought the Namekians back to life something that he himself wanted to do but of course no one in the fandom cares about that so I am glad you mentioned it.

[ZombieVito]

Mumble... mastering UI is such an essential plot point (and whatever consequences there will be for Merus obliteration) that this arc will be quite surely animated - if not by episodes by a movie.
I hate such fragmentation...

It's strange to notice how you could have entirely removed Red&Blue, starting instead by Moro arc (getting SSRed), then Zamasu (rationalized, getting SSBlue), then ToP (getting MUI), and probably Super could have been better.

I hope with all my heart that you are wrong but you probably won't be sadly.

Let's see how much Toei can fix this.

[Matches Malone]

I did like that he brought the Namekians back to life something that he himself wanted to do but of course no one in the fandom cares about that so I am glad you mentioned it.

I think too many fans overlook Vegeta's achievements in favor of focusing on what he didn't do. Would I like him to kill Moro ? Yes, but that shouldn't take away from what he already did up to this point. There are fans who complain about him not doing enough in the tournament of power, completely ignoring the fact that he was able to take down a destroyer level character on his own, something both Freeza and 17 couldn't do teamed up.

[SupremeKai25]

Even if he masters MUI, this can't be the last arc right? Moro is such a trash, forgettable villain that I really hope he's not the "final boss" of Super.

[FortuneSSJ]

Even if he masters MUI, this can't be the last arc right? Moro is such a trash, forgettable villain that I really hope he's not the "final boss" of Super.

We don't know. Jiren was worse and TOP was the last anime arc.

[Kagari]

I don't know why Gohan telling Dende to heal Piccolo made me laugh. Like... Gohan... you are so much stronger than Piccolo.

Piccolo has a hole in his chest. Gohan with a rage boost couldn't even make Moro flinch, so they're both useless as fighters.

Both Piccolo and Gohan are plenty useful. If Moro hadn't his regen, their team up with Goku last chapter would have seriously damaged him.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

You guys remember those times ages ago? You know, when people thought Moro was going to be an extraordinary villian with a good personality? You remember those times? Cause I do.

I was curious about him at first, but honestly Moro has the personality of a piece of bread. Hell, his minions had more personality than he did.

[SupremeKai25]

Even if he masters MUI, this can't be the last arc right? Moro is such a trash, forgettable villain that I really hope he's not the "final boss" of Super.

We don't know. Jiren was worse and that was the last anime arc.

Jiren at least tied into the whole "Power of friendship" stuff, because he's the exact opposite of Goku. Moro is lame, he has no depth, nothing.