Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 pm
It’s still really weird that Funimation never recorded an English version of Head Cha La for consistency with Dragon Ball and GT having English versions of the Japanese openings
Or following that it’s weird Mark Menza’s Generic stock music opening is used for the dub w/Japanese music as it’s kind of false advertising.
That said at least they’re not using Dale Kelly’s opening
That's something I always wondered about too. Maybe they haven't done it out of laziness, or something like it would just be extremely low on their priority list. It's funny though to think that for DBS we got an English version of the Dr Slump theme before Cha La
eledoremassis02 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:44 pm
Was there ever a reason as to why they stopped with the Spanish dub after UUC? Id love to see the rest of that dub
I don't know if there's been any particular reason given in terms of why the Mexican/Spanish dub stopped being included after the UUE's died.
Maybe they stopped wanting to pay extra to the company that did the dubbing? Pretty sure, unless I heard wrong, that they got materials they used to dub Z from the Mexican Spanish dubbing studio when it wasn't directly from Toei, right? And they also translated part of the time from the Spanish dub for the English one, right? I'm not 100% on the behind-the-scenes info of the dub of Z, so correct me if I'm wrong here. That & a lack of suitable audio materials are the only reasons I can see. It's not like they have other language dubs than the Japanese & English ones anyways, so it's not like it matters in the longrun.
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:15 pm
I thought it was a lack of space?
The Ultimate Uncut had
Japanese audio
English audio
Spanish audio
The remastered boxsets had
Japanese audio
English Audio with Japanese Background Music
English Audio with US Background Music
Could be, but on the BRs, with more space available, they could have more.
The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
I'd imagine the reason why the Japanese OP/EDs were used on the US Dragon Box is an acknowledgement that the sets are for fans of the Japanese version of the show. Remember that those Dragon Boxes were essentially the Japanese discs with Funimation's most recent dub at the time provided as an option.
KBABZ wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:58 am
I'd imagine the reason why the Japanese OP/EDs were used on the US Dragon Box is an acknowledgement that the sets are for fans of the Japanese version of the show. Remember that those Dragon Boxes were essentially the Japanese discs with Funimation's most recent dub at the time provided as an option.
Yeah that’s a given. It’s still weird to not use Head Cha La in the other releases for the English dub w Japanese music option.
KBABZ wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:58 am
I'd imagine the reason why the Japanese OP/EDs were used on the US Dragon Box is an acknowledgement that the sets are for fans of the Japanese version of the show. Remember that those Dragon Boxes were essentially the Japanese discs with Funimation's most recent dub at the time provided as an option.
Yeah that’s a given. It’s still weird to not use Head Cha La in the other releases for the English dub w Japanese music option.
Yes, it's odd and inconsistent how they corrected it on the Dragon Boxes yet left the same track on all other releases with the generic Menza guitar instrumental movie opening when it really shouldn't be there.
DB collection related goals as of now:
1.) Find decent priced copy of Dragon Box Z Vol. 4 (Done)
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:43 pm
Menza’s intro was just incredibly generic it also had no
place in the English dub with Japanese background music option.
Dale Kelly’s theme for the tv specials , in edition to being ear rape, is a painful reminder of how hard Funimatiom tried to make DBZ seem so edgy and hardcore. It’s basically a worse version of the Ultimate Uncut opening, which, while really try hard, is at least tolerable sounding for what it is.
Yes that, the majority of the Team Faulconer score and Step into the Grand Tour on GT really reflect what FUNi's mindset at the time was with trying to make Z and GT appeal to the audience they were targeting. It's funny in hindsight how i thought this was awesome many moons ago when i was 7/8 as i'm sure a lot of others did then though of course at the time when you're a young kid you don't realize just how awful it actually is much like the dub therein.
Well to be fair it kinda was "hardcore" compared to the animated shows that most western kids were exposed to back then. It was certainly more extreme then anything i'd ever seen up to that point even in its edited form on Toonami.
Its the opposite for me, I didn't pay much attention to the music when I was a kid as I was too busy focusing on the action, but as an adult I actually appreciate it a lot more now.
It’s certainly more violent than most kid shows on tv but I wouldn’t call a show like Dragon Ball Z hardcore.
The U.S replacement music (be it Wasserman, Faulconer, Menza, Kelly, or Johnson) never sounded hardcore just like an attempt to sound hardcore to a grade school/middle school audience. The musical equivalent of a kid with a mohawk and dark clothes and temporary tattoos and a chain necklace who skated and goes to Youth Group
Yes that, the majority of the Team Faulconer score and Step into the Grand Tour on GT really reflect what FUNi's mindset at the time was with trying to make Z and GT appeal to the audience they were targeting. It's funny in hindsight how i thought this was awesome many moons ago when i was 7/8 as i'm sure a lot of others did then though of course at the time when you're a young kid you don't realize just how awful it actually is much like the dub therein.
Well to be fair it kinda was "hardcore" compared to the animated shows that most western kids were exposed to back then. It was certainly more extreme then anything i'd ever seen up to that point even in its edited form on Toonami.
Its the opposite for me, I didn't pay much attention to the music when I was a kid as I was too busy focusing on the action, but as an adult I actually appreciate it a lot more now.
It’s certainly more violent than most kid shows on tv but I wouldn’t call a show like Dragon Ball Z hardcore.
The U.S replacement music (be it Wasserman, Faulconer, Menza, Kelly, or Johnson) never sounded hardcore just like an attempt to sound hardcore to a grade school/middle school audience. The musical equivalent of a kid with a mohawk and dark clothes and temporary tattoos and a chain necklace who skated and goes to Youth Group
Not as hardcore as actual hardcore music like Biohazard of course, but compared to most other western shows kids were watching around that time, it sounds pretty badass IMO.
"Why run away from something you're not afraid of?" - Goku
eledoremassis02 wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:21 pm
Just so people who are interested know exactly what they most likely will be getting, I made a small clip using VLC's record mode (not sure how else to do it) but it doesn't look like it took much (if any) hit at the quality
I know I already said that I don't hate this, but I later showed this to my wife and she said, "I forgot that Dragon Ball Z could actually look this good!" Now I know that there's so much wrong with this statement for a more discerning eye but the footage she's most used to seeing around the Internet is the Orange Bricks. So for her this is a breath of fresh air and she's excited for me to get these sets as we've watched Dragon Ball about 1000x times but we've probably only watched Z together maybe once or twice since 2006.
We're a manga household so she is very familiar with the story. We just haven't really been focused on the Z anime in quite a long time with how difficult it is to support a complete official 4:3 release.
I'll probably buy the new standard releases if Manga UK get them out of goodwill for it being 4:3 and to support my regional distributor. Hoping with how things go leading up to Christmas in my job I'll be able to get some overtime pay before biting the bullet again though.
Do you have any info about international non-English broadcasts about the Dragon Ball anime or manga translations/editions? Please message me. Researching for a future book with Dragon Ball scholar Derek Padula
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:52 am
I'll probably buy the new standard releases if Manga UK get them out of goodwill for it being 4:3 and to support my regional distributor. Hoping with how things go leading up to Christmas in my job I'll be able to get some overtime pay before biting the bullet again though.
It says on amazon that it's a limited release steelbook edition, so you'll probably have to wait for a regular release sometime later, again
mute_proxy wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:03 amIt says on amazon that it's a limited release steelbook edition, so you'll probably have to wait for a regular release sometime later, again
They're going to milk this for all its worth, aren't they ?
mute_proxy wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:03 amIt says on amazon that it's a limited release steelbook edition, so you'll probably have to wait for a regular release sometime later, again
They're going to milk this for all its worth, aren't they ?
If it gets a standard release after this hopefully it replaces the 16:9 Blu-rays and that's kind of a good thing!
