Does anyone else feel that much of the DB fandom enforces low standards?

[Planetnamek]

The last two SW films did not "underperform" in the least, that's another tiresome myth trotted out by those alt-right nutjobs.

EP8 made 700+ million less than than EP7, while EP9 made around 300 million less than EP8. Rogue 1 made over a billion, while Solo made less than 400 million. If your business is making less money every year (or whenever you calculate income), that means it's under performing. If these numbers aren't enough, although god knows why they wouldn't be, there's also the fact that Star Wars has gone from a yearly release schedule to taking 4 years off to reevaluate things. The "alt-right" simply don't have big enough numbers to impact things like this, if at all. There's clearly a disconnect between modern SW and the general movie going audience. You can like these movies all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there's clearly something wrong with them. I love Man of Steel, but it unfortunately ended up in a similar situation to modern SW where people just didn't connect with it.

To bring things back to DB, it's doing great numbers, so people who aren't connecting to it are in the minority. Broly for example made more $$$ than both BOG and RF combined, despite being not much more than a retelling of 3 previous stories. The reason I and others say the fan base's standards have gone down is because the franchise isn't doing much in terms of innovation, yet somehow everyone's throwing $$$ at it and even calling for more. I give major credit to the star wars community for speaking with their wallets, as they're getting rewarded with the likes of the Mandalorian, which I've read nothing but great things about. You and others can enjoy modern DB all you want, just don't constantly tell others to stop complaining and instead just enjoy what they give us because it has DB and Toriyama's name on it.

I think it's worth mentioning that I don't dislike everything modern DB has done. The BOG movie is a masterpiece that I believe belongs in the original manga. Despite Broly's story shortcomings, its production is among the best I've ever seen. Black and Zamasu are great villains, and Omen is one of the best transformations in the entire franchise, second to only the original Ssj. Modern DB has shown time and again that it can not only be good in its own right, but also compared to the original, which is why its shortcomings are so annoying.

Taking 4 years off does not mean it had anything to do with the films being bad, again spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours. Those "numbers" don't mean jack fucking shit, so stop acting like they do. Fact is those films are some of the highest grossing movies of all time, again that is an objective fact and nothing alt-right wackjobs say can magically change that.

Stop acting like your opinions are cold hard facts, because they are not, there is nothing objectively "wrong" with those movies just because some shitty edgelords say so.

There is no "disconnect" at all, if there was those films would've outright flopped, but they didn't, the "general audience" seemed to like them just fine. People very much connected with those movies as they got outstanding reviews from most critics(and before you bring up audience reviews, it was proven that most of the negative ratings come from people who didn't even see the films, thankfully RT stopped letting people post ratings of films before they came out after a bunch of sexist assholes tried review-bombing Captain Marvel).

Nobody is telling you to "stop complaining" about DB, just to stop acting like everyone that does not share your opinion on Super is a moron.

[LoganForkHands73]

Not that it matters but I googled RetroBlasting's political views and found this. He talks about his mother being liberal and father more of a centrist while arguing the Confederate Flag is a symbol of oppression. I don't know if he goes into more detail about his political views but it makes sense not to since it's irrelevant to his channel. If people bring up politics, they usually get accused of some ulterior motive from a different side that doesn't address the criticism directly. You'll find people from across the world with widely opposing political views while still sharing the same opinions on a piece of entertainment so it's best not to make assumptions and leave politics out of it.

I find it disturbing that so many(mostly white if i'm being frank) Star Wars fanboys are using Boyega as a battering ram to attack the new Star Wars films when in reality they don't actually give a damn about Boyega or what he went through, they just another excuse to go after the EEEEEEEEEEVIL boogeyman that they are convinced is Kathleen Kennedy(which is TOTALLY not blatantly misogynist at all! )

Do you have to jump to racism or misogyny as the main reason why someone wouldn't like the SW sequels? No doubt there are those who are racist or misogynist but it's more of a vocal online minority. There have been many strong female and minority characters in classics of the genre with no complaints. If someone is willing to watch all the recent SW films, it's unlikely the race or gender of the main characters is their reason for not liking it.

I think it's more of general criticism towards the four R's (remakes, reboots, revivals, and requels) than anything that only applies to the new SW. Revisiting a franchise that already had a conclusion, a story that retreads old ground, bringing back old characters mostly for nostalgia and fan service, etc. A fan could have the same criticism for Jurassic World despite that having a white male lead. These complaints would still exist even if Rey was a male and Finn was white.

I'm not white by the way and I actually enjoyed Jurassic World and most of the recent SW films. I can still admit if nostalgia and fan service were a big reason why I enjoyed them and not that I felt they really added anything worthwhile or memorable to the franchise. You can enjoy something without necessarily thinking it's great or needing to justify why you enjoyed it. I think that's goes back to the main point of this thread. It's about people who dismiss criticism not that people who like it are wrong. For example, some people thought that a certain character's sacrifice (in case you haven't read it) in the DBS manga was undeserved and didn't have enough buildup. I think it's valid criticism but the scene worked for me although I'm not sure if it was because I thought it was good or because it was referencing another character's sacrifice. Either way I don't need to shut down their criticism to argue why I personally liked it.

I don't have to "jump" to anything, because the VAST majority of hate aimed at the sequels usually comes in the form of bigotry, just look at how those assholes drove Kelly Marie Tran off social media.

Those complains wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if those characters were all white and male, claiming that they would be is demonstrably false.
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It is true that a worryingly large swath of these Star Wars arseholes are bigoted little cysts, I think it's also important to not lump everyone who dislikes the sequels into the same category. That just builds resentment. I defended the sequels at first, I enjoyed Episode VII and loved Episode VIII despite the hate the latter especially got, but Episode IX is an absolute travesty and worse, it did a huge disservice to the minority actors' characters such as by practically erasing Tran's character Rose only to replace her with a bland distaff version of Finn as the new love interest. It all stank of Disney trying to appeal to the vocal negative minority and being too cowardly to do anything significant with these characters, mainly because they're always trying to appeal to the Chinese market -- note that Finn is conspicuously absent from many Chinese posters, and I believe that easily censorable lesbian kiss in Episode 9 was indeed easily censored. The Disney corporation doesn't actually give a shit about diversity, they just want to get in people's good books with empty gestures and line their pockets.

While the r/saltierthancrait guys are using Boyega's comments as a sort of "battering ram", to be fair, John really doesn't mince his words at all with how he feels the sequels were mishandled, particularly in regards to how his character was treated as second-tier comic relief. He's hardly been nice about them and I think deservedly so.

[Matches Malone]

Spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours.

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

[Planetnamek]

Not that it matters but I googled RetroBlasting's political views and found this. He talks about his mother being liberal and father more of a centrist while arguing the Confederate Flag is a symbol of oppression. I don't know if he goes into more detail about his political views but it makes sense not to since it's irrelevant to his channel. If people bring up politics, they usually get accused of some ulterior motive from a different side that doesn't address the criticism directly. You'll find people from across the world with widely opposing political views while still sharing the same opinions on a piece of entertainment so it's best not to make assumptions and leave politics out of it.

I find it disturbing that so many(mostly white if i'm being frank) Star Wars fanboys are using Boyega as a battering ram to attack the new Star Wars films when in reality they don't actually give a damn about Boyega or what he went through, they just another excuse to go after the EEEEEEEEEEVIL boogeyman that they are convinced is Kathleen Kennedy(which is TOTALLY not blatantly misogynist at all! )

Do you have to jump to racism or misogyny as the main reason why someone wouldn't like the SW sequels? No doubt there are those who are racist or misogynist but it's more of a vocal online minority. There have been many strong female and minority characters in classics of the genre with no complaints. If someone is willing to watch all the recent SW films, it's unlikely the race or gender of the main characters is their reason for not liking it.

I think it's more of general criticism towards the four R's (remakes, reboots, revivals, and requels) than anything that only applies to the new SW. Revisiting a franchise that already had a conclusion, a story that retreads old ground, bringing back old characters mostly for nostalgia and fan service, etc. A fan could have the same criticism for Jurassic World despite that having a white male lead. These complaints would still exist even if Rey was a male and Finn was white.

I'm not white by the way and I actually enjoyed Jurassic World and most of the recent SW films. I can still admit if nostalgia and fan service were a big reason why I enjoyed them and not that I felt they really added anything worthwhile or memorable to the franchise. You can enjoy something without necessarily thinking it's great or needing to justify why you enjoyed it. I think that's goes back to the main point of this thread. It's about people who dismiss criticism not that people who like it are wrong. For example, some people thought that a certain character's sacrifice (in case you haven't read it) in the DBS manga was undeserved and didn't have enough buildup. I think it's valid criticism but the scene worked for me although I'm not sure if it was because I thought it was good or because it was referencing another character's sacrifice. Either way I don't need to shut down their criticism to argue why I personally liked it.

I don't have to "jump" to anything, because the VAST majority of hate aimed at the sequels usually comes in the form of bigotry, just look at how those assholes drove Kelly Marie Tran off social media.

Those complains wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if those characters were all white and male, claiming that they would be is demonstrably false.

It is true that a worryingly large swath of these Star Wars arseholes are bigoted little cysts, I think it's also important to not lump everyone who dislikes the sequels into the same category. That just builds resentment. I defended the sequels at first, I enjoyed Episode VII and loved Episode VIII despite the hate the latter especially got, but Episode IX is an absolute travesty and worse, it did a huge disservice to the minority actors' characters such as by practically erasing Tran's character Rose only to replace her with a bland distaff version of Finn as the new love interest. It all stank of Disney trying to appeal to the vocal negative minority and being too cowardly to do anything significant with these characters, mainly because they're always trying to appeal to the Chinese market -- note that Finn is conspicuously absent from many Chinese posters, and I believe that easily censorable lesbian kiss in Episode 9 was indeed easily censored. The Disney corporation doesn't actually give a shit about diversity, they just want to get in people's good books with empty gestures and line their pockets.

While the r/saltierthancrait guys are using Boyega's comments as a sort of "battering ram", to be fair, John really doesn't mince his words at all with how he feels the sequels were mishandled, particularly in regards to how his character was treated as second-tier comic relief. He's hardly been nice about them and I think deservedly so.
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Oh I agree that not everyone that has issues with the sequels is a bigot, but the vast majority of people i've seen bitching about those films on social media have been.

I don't think IX is a travesty at all, I think it's pretty damn good, i'm with Moviebob on that film:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvBcg83lBY



I don't think Disney is trying to appeal to the bigots, if they were they wouldn't have had that same-sex kiss in the last film, yeah it was brief but it was still there(and it wasn't actually removed in China like some people falsely claimed it was) I disagree that they don't care about diversity, I think they do care but they still want to make money from it. John never outright called the films trash though like some shitlords are claiming he did, he actually did say that Abrams tried to do right by his character in the last film.

[Planetnamek]

Spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours.

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

Uh plenty of Bernie supporters have spouted similarly cringy alt-right talking points, the Chapo Trap House crew(I.E. Peter Coffin, Aimee Terese) are every bit as bigoted as Trump supporters, they are just more sublte.

You are the one that has demonstrated how "immature" you are by making laughable claims that politics shouldn't matter, as if a minority should have to listen to what a neo-nazi has to say about movies.

So no i'm not going to "stop" calling you out on your nonsense at all, as you sound every bit as insane as any Trump supporter. Plenty of Bernie bros have been just as shitty to LGBTQ folks and minorities online, Gwen Snyder can tell you all about how Bernie Bros just like you repeatedly doxxed and harassed her just for daring to call them on their bullshit:https://twitter.com/gwensnyderphl/statu ... 8077426689

The only thing you're accomplishing by doubling down on your objectively false "politics shouldn't matter!" nonsense is showing how completely and utterly ignorant you are about almost everything in general.

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

[Matches Malone]

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

I don't want to drag this out any longer, especially since it might get the topic closed, so I'll take the high ground and agree to disagree and move on.

[LoganForkHands73]

Spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours.

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

Uh plenty of Bernie supporters have spouted similarly cringy alt-right talking points, the Chapo Trap House crew(I.E. Peter Coffin, Aimee Terese) are every bit as bigoted as Trump supporters, they are just more sublte.

You are the one that has demonstrated how "immature" you are by making laughable claims that politics shouldn't matter, as if a minority should have to listen to what a neo-nazi has to say about movies.

So no i'm not going to "stop" calling you out on your nonsense at all, as you sound every bit as insane as any Trump supporter. Plenty of Bernie bros have been just as shitty to LGBTQ folks and minorities online, Gwen Snyder can tell you all about how Bernie Bros just like you repeatedly doxxed and harassed her just for daring to call them on their bullshit:https://twitter.com/gwensnyderphl/statu ... 8077426689

The only thing you're accomplishing by doubling down on your objectively false "politics shouldn't matter!" nonsense is showing how completely and utterly ignorant you are about almost everything in general.

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

Jesus Christ man, simmer the hell down and get a grip. I disagree with Mr. Malone on many things but just because he's not a fan of bringing political opinions into a chat about Dragon Ball Super, which I also think is a little strange, doesn't mean the man is some kind of raving bigot. Frankly you're coming off as the far more deranged one here.

To respond to your reply to me, all I can really say is I disagree with you and Bob. I do find it a little naive that you're going off about how everyone you disagree with is secretly an insane Trump supporter then defending a giant corporation but whatever.

[Skar]

I don't have to "jump" to anything, because the VAST majority of hate aimed at the sequels usually comes in the form of bigotry, just look at how those assholes drove Kelly Marie Tran off social media.

Those complaints wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if those characters were all white and male, claiming that they would be is demonstrably false.

Where are you finding this bigoted majority? I'm talking about critic reviews and fans who go into detail not social media trolls. Some liked the movies while others cited the same criticism you'll find for most revivals or reboots. If any article brings up this trend in Hollywood, chances are they'll give SW as an example. My point isn't that I think they're bad movies just that they're not exactly breaking the mold. RoS had about 50% on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritics for critic reviews while Mad Max: Fury Road had over 90% on both sites. I'm sure there are those that hated the new Mad Max for the female leads but that didn't matter to critics who considered it one of the best sequels in recent memory and a standout compared to what we usually get from Hollywood sequels.

Taking 4 years off does not mean it had anything to do with the films being bad, again spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours. Those "numbers" don't mean jack fucking shit, so stop acting like they do. Fact is those films are some of the highest grossing movies of all time, again that is an objective fact and nothing alt-right wackjobs say can magically change that.

Is this like an updated version of Godwin's Law? How can any person conceivably come to this conclusion based on his comments?

Spoiler:

Seriously how is relaying information an alt-right talking point? I'm so confused. It's a fact that box office revenue declined with each release and that Bob Igor said they will slowdown because they had too many movies. They originally planned to have a new film each year so what's your reason for why they would choose to slowdown if declining box office revenue had nothing to do with it?

Despite multiple MCU films being released every year, each Avengers performed better than the last. There are other franchises that also have each sequel perform better than the last film or remain relatively close. Usually if a box office revenue keeps dropping, it means fewer and fewer people are invested and care to experience it in theaters. Once again, this has nothing to do with politics and can apply to many franchises.

[The Bastard.]

Spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours.

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

Uh plenty of Bernie supporters have spouted similarly cringy alt-right talking points, the Chapo Trap House crew(I.E. Peter Coffin, Aimee Terese) are every bit as bigoted as Trump supporters, they are just more sublte.

You are the one that has demonstrated how "immature" you are by making laughable claims that politics shouldn't matter, as if a minority should have to listen to what a neo-nazi has to say about movies.

So no i'm not going to "stop" calling you out on your nonsense at all, as you sound every bit as insane as any Trump supporter. Plenty of Bernie bros have been just as shitty to LGBTQ folks and minorities online, Gwen Snyder can tell you all about how Bernie Bros just like you repeatedly doxxed and harassed her just for daring to call them on their bullshit:https://twitter.com/gwensnyderphl/statu ... 8077426689

The only thing you're accomplishing by doubling down on your objectively false "politics shouldn't matter!" nonsense is showing how completely and utterly ignorant you are about almost everything in general.

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

You are going to far, calm the fuck down, your tirade doesn't make any more sense than someone screaming at clouds in the sky, you're preaching to the choir, American politics make me roll my eyes.

[samuraix123]

I've notice over the years that much of the fandom seems to knee-jerkingly dismiss any suggestions on ways to improve the writing of the series, even when they themselves are highly critical of it. For instance, many such suggestions are often dismissed with inane responses like "Dragonball is not an ensemble", "Toriyama wouldn't approve", "this is a kids series" or "lore is not story" when nobody was even mentioning lore lmao. Its like these enforce low standards on the series.

Does anyone else feel this way?

The best advice I can give to anyone! Is to stay away from the fandom as much as possible. lol I like what I like and they like what they like and I don't need my opinion to be validated by them to make me feel better. I'm mean, I don't mind coming on Kanzenshuu and talking a few words here and there with folks but I'm not gonna sit and waste my time arguing over this or that.
I actually left Facebook behind because everyone was always arguing politics and such and I personally wished that some people online would come speak to me in person the way they have tried speaking to me online. it's laughable at how hard someone will try to dig into you online because they know that there will ultimately be no repercussions because of it. but I'm also not the kinda person in real life that can't handle criticisms in front of me. but idk...I try not to fight as much as possible.

[JulieYBM]

Personally, I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

[Matches Malone]

I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

I don't think that's possible, but I wouldn't be against the right holders giving fans a chance at publishing their own story. Toyotaro and the person who drew Yamcha's manga were both fans and got hired based on that, so I wouldn't mind seeing more of that.

[eledoremassis02]

https://youtu.be/9AvGAurIu1I?t=28

[ArmenianPepsi]

The movies have been some of the most bareboned experiences imaginable. Some movies are quite literally 5 minutes of set up (if that) followed by 40+ minutes of fighting, roll credits.

I agree with you there. The best things about the DBZ movies is everything except the stories, where at best, it's enough to maintain your suspension of disbelief, and make you sort of invested in the 30 minute extended fight scene.

[ABED]

I don't think that's possible, but I wouldn't be against the right holders giving fans a chance at publishing their own story.

Dear lord, NO.

[JulieYBM]

I would like to see more fans arguing for the entering of Dragon Ball into the public domain so as to reduce the flow of profit to a small set of already grossly powerful corporations.

I don't think that's possible, but I wouldn't be against the right holders giving fans a chance at publishing their own story. Toyotaro and the person who drew Yamcha's manga were both fans and got hired based on that, so I wouldn't mind seeing more of that.

It's possible, it just means telling corporations and the wealthy to duck off.

[Planetnamek]

I don't have to "jump" to anything, because the VAST majority of hate aimed at the sequels usually comes in the form of bigotry, just look at how those assholes drove Kelly Marie Tran off social media.

Those complaints wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if those characters were all white and male, claiming that they would be is demonstrably false.

Where are you finding this bigoted majority? I'm talking about critic reviews and fans who go into detail not social media trolls. Some liked the movies while others cited the same criticism you'll find for most revivals or reboots. If any article brings up this trend in Hollywood, chances are they'll give SW as an example. My point isn't that I think they're bad movies just that they're not exactly breaking the mold. RoS had about 50% on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritics for critic reviews while Mad Max: Fury Road had over 90% on both sites. I'm sure there are those that hated the new Mad Max for the female leads but that didn't matter to critics who considered it one of the best sequels in recent memory and a standout compared to what we usually get from Hollywood sequels.

Taking 4 years off does not mean it had anything to do with the films being bad, again spare me your tiresome alt-right talking points that are demonstrably false and get out of that incel echo-chamber of yours. Those "numbers" don't mean jack fucking shit, so stop acting like they do. Fact is those films are some of the highest grossing movies of all time, again that is an objective fact and nothing alt-right wackjobs say can magically change that.

Is this like an updated version of Godwin's Law? How can any person conceivably come to this conclusion based on his comments?

Spoiler:

Seriously how is relaying information an alt-right talking point? I'm so confused. It's a fact that box office revenue declined with each release and that Bob Igor said they will slowdown because they had too many movies. They originally planned to have a new film each year so what's your reason for why they would choose to slowdown if declining box office revenue had nothing to do with it?

Despite multiple MCU films being released every year, each Avengers performed better than the last. There are other franchises that also have each sequel perform better than the last film or remain relatively close. Usually if a box office revenue keeps dropping, it means fewer and fewer people are invested and care to experience it in theaters. Once again, this has nothing to do with politics and can apply to many franchises.

Mostly on social media, many alt-right dipshits love spreading the myth that Last Jedi was a "failure" at the box-office when it objectively wasn't, that's not "spreading information" at all, that is actually spreading MISinformation:https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/why-sta ... ilure.html

Every franchise needs a break, there's no sinister conspiracy to Disney doing that, so stop acting like there is.

I don't see how me pointing out the truth is Godwin's Law.

A lot of people would argue Last Jedi did "break the mold" because of how different it was.

[Planetnamek]

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

Uh plenty of Bernie supporters have spouted similarly cringy alt-right talking points, the Chapo Trap House crew(I.E. Peter Coffin, Aimee Terese) are every bit as bigoted as Trump supporters, they are just more sublte.

You are the one that has demonstrated how "immature" you are by making laughable claims that politics shouldn't matter, as if a minority should have to listen to what a neo-nazi has to say about movies.

So no i'm not going to "stop" calling you out on your nonsense at all, as you sound every bit as insane as any Trump supporter. Plenty of Bernie bros have been just as shitty to LGBTQ folks and minorities online, Gwen Snyder can tell you all about how Bernie Bros just like you repeatedly doxxed and harassed her just for daring to call them on their bullshit:https://twitter.com/gwensnyderphl/statu ... 8077426689

The only thing you're accomplishing by doubling down on your objectively false "politics shouldn't matter!" nonsense is showing how completely and utterly ignorant you are about almost everything in general.

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

You are going to far, calm the fuck down, your tirade doesn't make any more sense than someone screaming at clouds in the sky, you're preaching to the choir, American politics make me roll my eyes.

No those on here arguing to "keep politics out" are the ones that need to "calm the fuck down", just because i'm calling out bullshit where I see it does not mean i'm not "calm".

It's not a "tirade" to correct people on spouting asinine nonsense.

Also spare me your lame "American politics" hand-waving excuses, there's plenty of people overseas just as pissed about this sort of thing as me, so don't act like this is solely a US issue cause it ain't, you're the only one I see going on a "tirade" here.

You're the only one "Screaming at the sky" here, you're doing nothing but trolling and aren't actually contributing anything useful, stop wasting everyone's time with your reductive nonsense.

I don't think that's possible, but I wouldn't be against the right holders giving fans a chance at publishing their own story.

Dear lord, NO.

Yeah i'm not crazy about the idea of letting fans publish their own DB stories, the number of frankly cringe-inducing responses on this thread has definitely demonstrated what a terrible idea that is.

[Planetnamek]

The only thing you accomplish by attacking people personally is showing how immature you are. Just so we're clear, I'm a Bernie supporter, so you can stop with this whole "alt-right" talk you keep bringing up.

Uh plenty of Bernie supporters have spouted similarly cringy alt-right talking points, the Chapo Trap House crew(I.E. Peter Coffin, Aimee Terese) are every bit as bigoted as Trump supporters, they are just more sublte.

You are the one that has demonstrated how "immature" you are by making laughable claims that politics shouldn't matter, as if a minority should have to listen to what a neo-nazi has to say about movies.

So no i'm not going to "stop" calling you out on your nonsense at all, as you sound every bit as insane as any Trump supporter. Plenty of Bernie bros have been just as shitty to LGBTQ folks and minorities online, Gwen Snyder can tell you all about how Bernie Bros just like you repeatedly doxxed and harassed her just for daring to call them on their bullshit:https://twitter.com/gwensnyderphl/statu ... 8077426689

The only thing you're accomplishing by doubling down on your objectively false "politics shouldn't matter!" nonsense is showing how completely and utterly ignorant you are about almost everything in general.

Anyway i'm not interested in any of your opinions on DB after you exposed your own ignorance on social issues.

Jesus Christ man, simmer the hell down and get a grip. I disagree with Mr. Malone on many things but just because he's not a fan of bringing political opinions into a chat about Dragon Ball Super, which I also think is a little strange, doesn't mean the man is some kind of raving bigot. Frankly you're coming off as the far more deranged one here.

To respond to your reply to me, all I can really say is I disagree with you and Bob. I do find it a little naive that you're going off about how everyone you disagree with is secretly an insane Trump supporter then defending a giant corporation but whatever.

No the ones who are arguing that "politics shouldn't matter" are the ones that truly need to "simmer down" here, i'm just calling people out on reductive arguments and I see nothing at all wrong with that. I refuse to give an inch to that nonsense.

The notion that one can separate politics form fictional media is false and utterly laughable, You, Skar, TheBastard and Malone are clearly the ones who are "deranged" here, not me.

I never actually accused anyone of being a Trump supporter, clearly we can add "reading comprehension" to the list of things you need practice on.

I find it naive that you actually believe it's possible to take politics out of fictional media.

So no, you "get a grip" and stop with your nonsense trolling.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

EP8 made 700+ million less than than EP7, while EP9 made around 300 million less than EP8. Rogue 1 made over a billion, while Solo made less than 400 million. If your business is making less money every year (or whenever you calculate income), that means it's under performing

Under this logic every MCU movie that released between Avengers & Avengers 2 and every other MCU relased between Avengers 2 & Avengers 3 underperformed because they made less movie that those said Avengers movies.