Anyone else prefer the Buu saga over the Cell saga?

[Beerus-sama]

I like the Buu saga best since I had a lot of fun with it.
I didn't like that in the he Cell Saga had Vegeta being so selfish. And then it was a bit creepy with Cell trying to eat 17 and 18 until he got perfect form then it was ok.
I like it, but I prefer the Buu saga for the comedy and the characters' interactions.

[Lord Beerus]

I love the Buu Arc and will gladly take it over the Cell Arc any day. Super Buu/Evil Boo is the second best villain in the franchise with only Freeza above him and just ahead of King Piccolo, the fights were unique and didn't feel stretched out, the character development was the best written out of any other arc in all of Dragon Ball (Vegeta, Mr Satan and Majin Boo) and new characters introduced were likable and had a certain mystique about them (Dabra, Supreme Kai and Babidi).

This is how I would rank the Z arcs:
1) Freeza Arc
2) Saiyan Arc
3) Majin Boo Arc
4) Namek Arc
5) Cell Arc
6) Artifical Human Arc

[NintendoFan28]

I definitely prefer the Buu arc over the Cell arc. I thought Majin Buu was an awesome villain (with the exception of Gohan Buu and Kid Buu). Fat Buu was awesome and funny, Gray Buu and Super Buu was creepy, and Gotenks Buu was awesome with his way of speaking and the way he played mind games on Gohan. I enjoyed Gotenks as a character, Ultimate Gohan was a beast, Mr. Satan was probably my favorite character of the entire arc, and Vegeta's character development in this arc was great. With the Cell arc, the only parts that I enjoyed were, the awesomeness of Imperfect Cell, Piccolo vs. 17, Goku vs. Perfect Cell, Gohan's SSJ2 transformation, and Cell's death. Other than that, the Cell arc wasn't that great in my opinion.

[i'mfuckingevil]

Yes, because we finally got to see Vegeta giving into some of his arrogance. Talk about late blossoming character development.

[LordCrumb]

I love the Buu saga, but I also really love the Cell saga. In fact, I cant think of any saga i don't like in the DB franchise.

[Regarder]

I think the developments and sense of scale of threats sometimes became quite ambiguous in the Buu arc; if it didn't we probably wouldn't have so many debates over who is stronger than who and what this character meant when they said this, so in a weird way, perhaps that's a plus.

The Cell arc is by contrast very straightforward in the progression of things, with little left to interpretation. Really, it gets bland. I like what some call the android arc (it's the same arc really) better, because it was cool how this guy from the future turned up, wasted Freeza and pops, and told them all that they were going to die because of a terrible new threat if they didn't train the hardest they could over the next few years. Then the whole reveal scene with the android attack where they realize the androids don't have ki... it's great. The early Cell stuff is good enough I guess, but it totally runs out of steam by the time Cell absorbs 17.

Everyone loves 18 and 17, but I sometimes wonder what the arc had been like if Toriyama had been able to write it so that 19 and 20 were the proper androids. How would that have escalated? Would they have to be stronger? It would have been cool to see more Gero stuff. There's this guy whose being slaving away just to kill Goku for all these years, and he's done away with so fast by his own creations. Seems a shame.

The Buu arc is superior as it is (though it's nowhere near my favorite). It's more fun and it has more variety to it, and what I mentioned about scaling doesn't really have too much effect on that. Some of the filler is great even, especially the Gohan stuff.

[ABED]

No, it's very evident how he's making it all up as he goes along with very little forethought. The villain is too goofy, the comedy undercuts any sense of drama and few of the fights are interesting. It also feels too long. I like the mystery surrounding the Cell arc and feel it could've been milked a little longer. Lastly, I don't care for the ending of DBZ.

[Lord Beerus]

No, it's very evident how he's making it all up as he goes along with very little forethought. The villain is too goofy, the comedy undercuts any sense of drama and few of the fights are interesting. It also feels too long. I like the mystery surrounding the Cell arc and feel it could've been milked a little longer.

It war clear Toriyama was making up shit as he went along as far back as the Tien Shinhan Arc. If any arc show the most blatant case of Toriyama writing by the seat of his pants, it the Cell Arc. And all that "mystery" of the Cell arc was just made up on the spot, plot hole ridden junk thrown in because Toriyama's current and former editors at the time didn't like the designs of the his original main villains, #19 and #20.

The Majin Boo arc was dense and wacky and was fully aware of it. The arc itself felt like such a throwback to the early arcs of Dragon Ball when it had it's charm and had the perfect balance of comedy and action.

Lastly, I don't care for the ending of DBZ.

What specifically don't you care about it?

[Kamiccolo9]

No, it's very evident how he's making it all up as he goes along with very little forethought. The villain is too goofy, the comedy undercuts any sense of drama and few of the fights are interesting. It also feels too long. I like the mystery surrounding the Cell arc and feel it could've been milked a little longer.

Tenshinhan Shinhan Arc.

Lastly, I don't care for the ending of DBZ.

What specifically don't you care about it?

Dat Word Filter

I'm not a fan of Z's ending either. I like my series' to have an ending, not what is essentially a lighthearted cliffhanger.

[Ajay]

I'm not a fan of Z's ending either. I like my series' to have an ending, not what is essentially a lighthearted cliffhanger.

While I prefer GT's ending, I find Z's far more fitting.

Goku's story ends with him running off to go and train?! Amazing! Ending with an action so typical of Goku? I love it!

Not only does it reassert his character but it also marks the end of his legacy as he heads off to help Oob take his place.

It's a sweet ending. It marks the end of a journey for one character and the beginning for another.

It's a shame they wasted all that with GT as a whole.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm not a fan of Z's ending either. I like my series' to have an ending, not what is essentially a lighthearted cliffhanger.

While I prefer GT's ending, I find Z's far more fitting.

Goku's story ends with him running off to go and train?! Amazing! Ending with an action so typical of Goku? I love it!

Not only does it reassert his character but it also marks the end of his legacy as he heads off to help Oob take his place.

It's a sweet ending. It marks the end of a journey for one character and the beginning for another.

It's a shame they wasted all that with GT as a whole.

I mean, I get all that. It's just not my cup of tea.

I can't really say much more than that it "doesn't feel like an ending" to me. I'm not sure how to put it into words; it just doesn't click with me the way GT's does.

[Ajay]

I mean, I get all that. It's just not my cup of tea.

I can't really say much more than that it "doesn't feel like an ending" to me. I'm not sure how to put it into words; it just doesn't click with me the way GT's does.

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't trying to sway your opinion or anything. I was just offering up a counter-opinion with my own ramblings about it.

I'm a pretty big fan of open endings but there's certainly some who feel differently. I seem to remember getting into a pretty heated debate over them at some point here.

[Kamiccolo9]

I mean, I get all that. It's just not my cup of tea.

I can't really say much more than that it "doesn't feel like an ending" to me. I'm not sure how to put it into words; it just doesn't click with me the way GT's does.

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't trying to sway your opinion or anything. I was just offering up a counter-opinion with my own ramblings about it.

I'm a pretty big fan of open endings but there's certainly some who feel differently. I seem to remember getting into a pretty heated debate over them at some point here.

No problem, I didn't take it that way
I think it's that as I see it, there is a difference between an ending and a conclusion. I see an ending as, literally that, the end of a story. Fin. A conclusion, on the other hand, I see as a culmination of everything that has happened, that results in a satisfying finale. So I guess, I would consider DBZ to have an "ending," and GT to have a "conclusion," based on my arbitrary interpretation of a couple of synonyms I'm not a fan of endings that aren't also conclusions, if you catch my meaning.

Take Return of the Jedi, for instance. It's totally open ended. The Empire is still alive, the war is still going on, but the main story, that of Luke and Vader, has been wrapped up. There's more to the story, (and I am a huge fan of the Expanded Universe,) but the quest is concluded.

Hopefully this makes sense

[fadeddreams5]

There are several things I didn't like about the Buu saga:
1. Little kids as SSJs. I don't think I need to go into detail here, but I will say that if it was just Goten, I would have been fine with it. He'd be a prodigy, and his entire existence would be more relevant.

2. The concept or ease of fusing. It's like, they trained so hard to overcome previous obstacles, but now it's apparent that they could have just fused to defeat Frieza, Cell, and so on.

3. The overall padding of the saga. Majin Buu could have been defeated multiple times, but he wasn't for several reasons. It's stupid. In the Namek saga, the cast was so outclassed by so many different villains, they were forced to hide. In the Android/Cell sagas, they could not touch these new bad guys, even as SSJs. But in the Buu arc, SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Fat Buu if he wanted to, Gotenks could have beaten Super Buu if he wasn't showing off 100% of the time, Gohan could have beaten Super Buu if he wasn't a fool, Vegito could have beaten Buuhan, and multiple characters could have beaten Kid Buu. They just let the show drag on.

4. Gohan turned lame, and the overall tone was disappointing after the epicness of the Cell saga. Probably the main reason most people dislike this arc compared to the others. It just came at a bad time when we were still shitting our pants over how awesome the final battle between Gohan and Cell was. All of a sudden, Gohan is this weak nerd, and instead of Mr. Perfect Fighter, we have a Manchild as the bad guy who defeats SSJ2 Vegeta even after he sacrifices himself. The latter was probably the last nail in the coffin for most casual fans. It was just lame up until Super Buu showed up, imo, but then Gotenks ruined that bit too for me. Kid Buu arc was awesome....but unnecessary.

[DBZAOTA482]

The Artificial Human/Cell Saga had plenty of opportunities where the Z-Senshi could have prevented the threat but didn't act upon it. Not as many Boo but still there. The extremes of them are different though.

I disagree with everything up until Super Boo being lame. In fact, I thought the Great Saiyaman stuff up until Vegeta's sacrifce was pretty good stuff despite it's flaws (Kaioshin, lazy art etc.) but then it just got dumb. First, Majin Boo comes out of Vegeta's kamikaze completely unscathed then Goku adds more salt to the wounds with two random power ups (SSJ3 and Fusion, though the latter was a good concept) and other stupid shit (Majin Boo wanting some pussy). The story also became nothing but going back-and-fourth between the heroes and villains conventionally overpowering each other and there's the constantly jerking the audience around until the near-end. It was like Toriyama-sensei had no idea of what he was going with it for the most parts.

[Lord Beerus]

No, it's very evident how he's making it all up as he goes along with very little forethought. The villain is too goofy, the comedy undercuts any sense of drama and few of the fights are interesting. It also feels too long. I like the mystery surrounding the Cell arc and feel it could've been milked a little longer.

Tenshinhan Shinhan Arc.

Lastly, I don't care for the ending of DBZ.

What specifically don't you care about it?

Dat Word Filter

I slept through English classes in school far too much it seems.

[ABED]

I don't like the end of Z because Goku's leaving everyone with a character I don't particularly care about and even though he can teleport, it seems like he's going to be gone for quite a while. It just feels like he's abandoning everyone. I would've preferred a Rocky III ending. I really dug GT's ending because it was an emotional but upbeat ending for a character we've all been with for over 500 episodes.

It war clear Toriyama was making up shit as he went along as far back as the Tenshinhan Shinhan Arc. If any arc show the most blatant case of Toriyama writing by the seat of his pants, it the Cell Arc. And all that "mystery" of the Cell arc was just made up on the spot, plot hole ridden junk thrown in because Toriyama's current and former editors at the time didn't like the designs of the his original main villains, #19 and #20.

The Majin Boo arc was dense and wacky and was fully aware of it. The arc itself felt like such a throwback to the early arcs of Dragon Ball when it had it's charm and had the perfect balance of comedy and action.

People keep pointing to his editor not liking the designs, but if you didn't know that, does the arc really feel like it was all leading up to them? Unless he was planning a very short arc, they always felt like the start of a bigger story. When Cell is introduced, it feels momentous, he feels like a genuine threat, and his transformations make sense. The Buu arc wasn't dense, and that wackiness undercuts dramatic tension. I love a good throwback, but one of the reasons those early DB arcs could get away with the goofiness is because the stakes weren't all of existence. It didn't have the perfect balance of comedy and action and drama. It leaned far more towards the comedy, much of it not that funny to me.

[mAcChaos]

I definitely prefer the Buu arc over the Cell arc. I thought Majin Buu was an awesome villain (with the exception of Gohan Buu and Kid Buu). Fat Buu was awesome and funny, Gray Buu and Super Buu was creepy, and Gotenks Buu was awesome with his way of speaking and the way he played mind games on Gohan. I enjoyed Gotenks as a character, Ultimate Gohan was a beast, Mr. Satan was probably my favorite character of the entire arc, and Vegeta's character development in this arc was great. With the Cell arc, the only parts that I enjoyed were, the awesomeness of Imperfect Cell, Piccolo vs. 17, Goku vs. Perfect Cell, Gohan's SSJ2 transformation, and Cell's death. Other than that, the Cell arc wasn't that great in my opinion.

What's so different about Gohan Buu from Gotenks Buu? They're basically exactly the same.

2. The concept or ease of fusing. It's like, they trained so hard to overcome previous obstacles, but now it's apparent that they could have just fused to defeat Freeza, Cell, and so on.

There's no way that fusing would have saved them VS Freeza. Freeza's power was just so much higher than everybody. Maybe Cell though...

[blahdalizer]

Yes. I prefer the Buu saga over the Cell saga.

If Future Trunks was done today, he would be a Mary Sue. He was the second super saiyan to be seen, he easily killed Frieza and his father, he came from a future where all the Z fighters are dead except him, and he is the son of a couple no one asked for. Cell was pretentious and was killed by a child. Android 18 is the only female villain in the Dragonball Z mangas original run, and she isn’t attractive. Sure Krillin Found love thanks to her, but how come Yamcha and Tien never found love. And Goku died, which wouldn’t be too bad if this wasn’t where retellings of Dragonball Z usually end.

One criticism the Cell saga gets is the hyperbolic time chamber. But I think it makes sense because it’s a room where time flows differently.

The Buu saga on the other hand gave us a villain that killed almost every character that hasn’t already died yet. We finally got to see what Krillin looked like with hair. Goku killed a main villain. It had a happy ending. And it introduced metamorian fusion and potara fusion which paved the way for fusions in other franchises (that alone is enough reason to like the Buu saga).

[VegettoEX]

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