What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:41 am

Now that I think about it, Hearts was stupid and pretty much doomed his own plan. For one simple reason: he killed Zamasu when he didn't have to. Had he let Zamasu live longer, he would've won against Goku and co. By himself he was able to fight Gogeta, Jiren, and Hit at the same time, so he would've certainly won if he was helped by Zamasu, who was not only strong in his own right, but was also immortal. Hearts could've just waited until Zeno was slain before turning on Zamasu. The latter needed Hearts to get rid of the Omni-King, so he was guaranteed to remain loyal after the fight with Universe 7.

So if Hearts had been a smart villain, he would've used Zamasu as a shield during his fight with Gogeta, Jiren, and Hit to tank all of their attacks and add some firepower, and would've turned on him only after Zeno was dealt with. Such a short-sighted fool. He literally gained nothing from getting rid of Zamasu right after absorbing the Universe Seed.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by ankokudaishogun » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:43 am

ZombieVito wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:35 am Yes we see Jiren completely hopeless trying to kill him and failing.
to be fair(and ignoring the promotional anime is not to be taken as even remotely canon), we didn't see Jiren try very hard.
Once he realizes Zamasu is immortal for realz(or at least has an extreme regeneration ability) the fight is interrupted, so it's jhard to saty if Jiren could have had some way to punch him harder than his regeneration or some other trick(ie: the capsule seen in the manga)

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by Koitsukai » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:55 pm

Since we are discussing stupid plans, I think Freeza's in the BR movie was just downright idiotic.

He witnessed Goku surpassing the GoDs, even Vegeta destroyed a hakaishin in front of his eyes, and one that had just trashed Freeza too. So, what was he expecting going with a guy whose unknown hidden power would end up being below blue? that means he was even weaker when Freeza met and assessed him. So he went to Earth to challenge the saiyans with a below-god level fighter, like going with Caulifla or Kale.
Not only that, he didn't even try to help him, he let the strong but not-crazy strong Broly face two godly saiyans instead of fighting the remaining saiyan. If he had kept Goku occupied, perhaps Vegeta would've lost to Ikari Broly and his plan would have worked.

He should've stepped in when Broly unlocked a power that could contend with the god forms which was more than he was hoping for when he came up with this plan, and let's talk about killing Paragus. So, Broly was losing and Freeza wanted to get Goku into trouble... but what happened the last time someone cornered Goku?... he unlocked Ultra Instinct and was unstoppable leaving the GoDs looking for their jaws on the floor. Was he really trying to force Goku to pull out his untouchable form? that didn't happen of course, but how could Freeza know it wouldn't happen? he has no way of knowing UI is off-limits for now, and it's literally the last memory he has of Goku. Seems like Freeza conveniently had already read the script and knew he was safe from it.

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by JewyB » Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:03 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:55 pm Not only that, he didn't even try to help him, he let the strong but not-crazy strong Broly face two godly saiyans instead of fighting the remaining saiyan. If he had kept Goku occupied, perhaps Vegeta would've lost to Ikari Broly and his plan would have worked.
Why would he help?

He already had the dragon balls, Broly vs Goku and Vegeta was entertainment to him, he was like throwing two monkeys a knife and watching them fight. He didn't plan to get dragged into it, but his sadistic nature combined with his ego lead to him sticking around to watch instead of using Broly as a distraction as would have been the smart way.

He's always been shown to consider himself superior, even in the face of every fact ever. The only thing i find inconsistent with Frieza's character in the Broly movie is him wanting to wish to be taller in the first place, everything else mostly fits in with how he has been characterised since Namek.

EDIT: Sorry, just realised you didn't claim it was inconsistent, just idiotic. That's fair, he is an absolute moron in 90% of cases.

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:21 pm

ankokudaishogun wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:43 am
ZombieVito wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:35 am Yes we see Jiren completely hopeless trying to kill him and failing.
to be fair(and ignoring the promotional anime is not to be taken as even remotely canon), we didn't see Jiren try very hard.
Once he realizes Zamasu is immortal for realz(or at least has an extreme regeneration ability) the fight is interrupted, so it's jhard to saty if Jiren could have had some way to punch him harder than his regeneration or some other trick(ie: the capsule seen in the manga)
Jiren has no way to beat him in anime canon (Which Heroes is based off).

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by ankokudaishogun » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:58 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:21 pm Jiren has no way to beat him in anime canon (Which Heroes is based off).
Anime Jiren has no way THAT WE KNOW to defeat him

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Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Post by Tai Lung » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:58 pm

I am surprised that is discussed about DB Heroes in this topic but anyway DB heros is fanservice a bad fanservice

honestly although it may be conflictive it does not bother me that the potala fusion is not permanent since it was not even in buu arc ... goku and vegeta separated later without any explanation, only leaving a guess that left more questions than answers, it also gives them more importance to the kaoshin as a race

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