Would you say that GT is more or less liked nowadays?

[WittyUsername]

I have no clue why people are comparing Super to the Star Wars sequels, I haven't seen nearly as much hatred or controversy surrounding Super. In fact, most people I have seen on the internet or talked to irl were actually very sad that Super was going on a hiatus.

Let me give you a perspective on how you can see that.

OG Dragon Ball = OG Star Wars
Dragon Ball GT = Star Wars Prequel
Dragon Ball Super = Star Wars Sequel

Sooo hmmmmmm ... Dragon Ball Ball Evolution = Star Wars holiday special lol

What about Heroes tho ? Here I don't know.

I dunno i think GT fits better into the EU category than the prequels, the prequels would be the Jaco manga. Then Heroes is like the ongoing star wars comics that got told they were non-canon and went "lul darth vader ghosts" or whatever is going on in those at the moment.

Now we just need a series on disney+ to become our Mandalorian, with a baby Kami or something, and boom, we got us a Star War!

Also a clone wars. Not the 3d clone wars, the superior 2d clone wars.

I know I’m the one who brought up the Star Wars prequels in the OP, but I would agree that if we’re doing comparisons between Dragon Ball and Star Wars, GT doesn’t really work as the equivalent to the prequels. The prequels were made by the creator of the franchise, and have always been acknowledged as being a canon and important part of the story. Even before Super came along, GT was often disregarded as being an unimportant side story by virtue of not being written by Toriyama.

I only really brought up the Star Wars prequels because they’re the perfect example of something that was consistently mocked and held in low regard, until recent years.

[ABED]

And they really shouldn't. Those stories don't work at all.

[SupremeKai25]

I have no clue why people are comparing Super to the Star Wars sequels, I haven't seen nearly as much hatred or controversy surrounding Super. In fact, most people I have seen on the internet or talked to irl were actually very sad that Super was going on a hiatus.

Let me give you a perspective on how you can see that.

OG Dragon Ball = OG Star Wars
Dragon Ball GT = Star Wars Prequel
Dragon Ball Super = Star Wars Sequel

Sooo hmmmmmm ... Dragon Ball Ball Evolution = Star Wars holiday special lol

What about Heroes tho ? Here I don't know.

That comparison is flawed because the Prequels, even if they were hated a lot in the past, were still written by Lucas himself and were part of his vision. GT was not written by Toriyama, it is generally considered to be non-canon or an alternate timeline like the Z movies.

Regardless I dont think Super can be compared to the Sequels because... well, I have not actually watched the Sequels, I will admit it, but I know that they are very controversial (maybe someone who is in the Star Wars fandom can give me an input), and I very much doubt that Super was as divisive as the Sequels are.

In fact, I remember that this forum used to be very positive and excited towards Super back when it was airing, but it seems like many people in the fandom are just waiting for the mainstream anime to return from hiatus.

[JewyB]

I have no clue why people are comparing Super to the Star Wars sequels, I haven't seen nearly as much hatred or controversy surrounding Super. In fact, most people I have seen on the internet or talked to irl were actually very sad that Super was going on a hiatus.

Let me give you a perspective on how you can see that.

OG Dragon Ball = OG Star Wars
Dragon Ball GT = Star Wars Prequel
Dragon Ball Super = Star Wars Sequel

Sooo hmmmmmm ... Dragon Ball Ball Evolution = Star Wars holiday special lol

What about Heroes tho ? Here I don't know.

That comparison is flawed because the Prequels, even if they were hated a lot in the past, were still written by Lucas himself and were part of his vision. GT was not written by Toriyama, it is generally considered to be non-canon or an alternate timeline like the Z movies.

Regardless I dont think Super can be compared to the Sequels because... well, I have not actually watched the Sequels, I will admit it, but I know that they are very controversial (maybe someone who is in the Star Wars fandom can give me an input), and I very much doubt that Super was as much divisive as the Sequels are.

I think that the Star Wars sequels aren't as divisive as the perception is, its just that the minority is much more vocal about hating the films, and theres a minority who are very vocal about loving them, then the majority exist as a spectrum in the middle(not dissimilar to GT/Super).

This is all anecdotal and opinion based but, most people i meet tend to find them either perfectly enjoyable or perfectly mediocre(Exception being Rogue One which, the people i respect love and then the others are wrong). My general opinion is that they are fine blockbuster films but kinda miss the point of Star Wars and try their hardest to replicate it on the surface instead of at its core, and try to appeal to nostalgia as opposed to bringing something new to the franchise.

So i dont hate or love them, i enjoy them while i watch them then i dont really care? I havent seen episode 9 though so i can't comment on the most divisive SW film.

Still ,all subjective and anecdotal like i say, but i tried to be as objective based on those things as i could, hope it helps.

EDIT: Oh i would also say, i think the prequels have the opposite problem, at their core, very good star wars films, but execution is just... Well... Its like sand... I dont like sand...

[Planetnamek]

Maybe a little? It depends on where you look. I see some on Twitter defending it, but YouTube comments are the same as they ever were. There seems to be a small section of the community that has warmed up to it either because of how they feel about Dragon Ball Super or because of the Green Bricks.

When Dragon Ball GT initially aired on TV in places like the U.S. (I can't remember how it was here in Canada), the marketing tried to make it seem more hardcore for an audience that had gotten older. The advertising, the intro, even skipping episodes to get to the action were all done for that purpose. It gave people a false perception of what the show was. When the Green Bricks released and reversed a lot of that (English cover of the Japanese intro, shown in its entirety, etc.), I think more people were able to view the show as an original Dragon Ball throwback rather than a continuation of Dragon Ball Z.

The ironic part is all that stuff actually did result in good ratings for GT, the U.S. is actually one of the only countries where it was a success.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Maybe a little? It depends on where you look. I see some on Twitter defending it, but YouTube comments are the same as they ever were. There seems to be a small section of the community that has warmed up to it either because of how they feel about Dragon Ball Super or because of the Green Bricks.

When Dragon Ball GT initially aired on TV in places like the U.S. (I can't remember how it was here in Canada), the marketing tried to make it seem more hardcore for an audience that had gotten older. The advertising, the intro, even skipping episodes to get to the action were all done for that purpose. It gave people a false perception of what the show was. When the Green Bricks released and reversed a lot of that (English cover of the Japanese intro, shown in its entirety, etc.), I think more people were able to view the show as an original Dragon Ball throwback rather than a continuation of Dragon Ball Z.

The ironic part is all that stuff actually did result in good ratings for GT, the U.S. is actually one of the only countries where it was a success.

That's what the "ZOMG SO HARDCORE!!!!!" angle of the marketing did with the infamous "YOU DON'T KNOW GT" trailer and that god awful rap song as well as skipping the first arc initially, it was an attempt on FUNi's part to change fan's preconceived perceptions about the show because surely they knew of GT's not so great ratings during the show's initial broadcast run in Japan. Much as those localization decisions are looked back upon as ridiculous these days, back in 2003 that was how FUNi rolled given what they did with Z and all.

[ABED]

Super is keeping things in stasis so I don't think it will get near the negative reaction that any of the Star Wars films.

[WittyUsername]

Maybe a little? It depends on where you look. I see some on Twitter defending it, but YouTube comments are the same as they ever were. There seems to be a small section of the community that has warmed up to it either because of how they feel about Dragon Ball Super or because of the Green Bricks.

When Dragon Ball GT initially aired on TV in places like the U.S. (I can't remember how it was here in Canada), the marketing tried to make it seem more hardcore for an audience that had gotten older. The advertising, the intro, even skipping episodes to get to the action were all done for that purpose. It gave people a false perception of what the show was. When the Green Bricks released and reversed a lot of that (English cover of the Japanese intro, shown in its entirety, etc.), I think more people were able to view the show as an original Dragon Ball throwback rather than a continuation of Dragon Ball Z.

The ironic part is all that stuff actually did result in good ratings for GT, the U.S. is actually one of the only countries where it was a success.

That's what the "ZOMG SO HARDCORE!!!!!" angle of the marketing did with the infamous "YOU DON'T KNOW GT" trailer and that god awful rap song as well as skipping the first arc initially, it was an attempt on FUNi's part to change fan's preconceived perceptions about the show because surely they knew of GT's not so great ratings during the show's initial broadcast run in Japan. Much as those localization decisions are looked back upon as ridiculous these days, back in 2003 that was how FUNi rolled given what they did with Z and all.

As much as I don’t like how FUNimation handled GT, I can’t exactly deny that from a financial perspective, it was a pretty ingenious move on their part.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

The ironic part is all that stuff actually did result in good ratings for GT, the U.S. is actually one of the only countries where it was a success.

That's what the "ZOMG SO HARDCORE!!!!!" angle of the marketing did with the infamous "YOU DON'T KNOW GT" trailer and that god awful rap song as well as skipping the first arc initially, it was an attempt on FUNi's part to change fan's preconceived perceptions about the show because surely they knew of GT's not so great ratings during the show's initial broadcast run in Japan. Much as those localization decisions are looked back upon as ridiculous these days, back in 2003 that was how FUNi rolled given what they did with Z and all.

As much as I don’t like how FUNimation handled GT, I can’t exactly deny that from a financial perspective, it was a pretty ingenious move on their part.

I can certainly see from that aspect why they did these things at the time, because given the show's rather so so performance on TV the decisions at least made it better recieved than basically almost everywhere else including it's home country. While it is now regarded as yet another bygone relic of the heavy "reversioning" practices that were a part of the initial span of years with Barry Watson and co in charge, i agree with your point that the marketing was actually pretty ingenious and clever at the time to some extent even with how utterly dumb and poorly aged it looks compared to how they've done things the last decade or so.

[Matches Malone]

People usually just spam low effort 10/10 or 1/10 scores to artificially boost or deflate the ratings of films they liked/hated.

This is by far the worst thing about user reviews, which is why I generally don't trust them. I don't mind something being given high or low marks, but at least take the time to explain why you believe that. There are countless reviews that are simply "this sucks, 0" or "this is awesome, 10". What can I take away from that ? would it be so hard to say in a short paragraph what worked and what didn't ?

That's what the "ZOMG SO HARDCORE!!!!!" angle of the marketing did with the infamous "YOU DON'T KNOW GT" trailer and that god awful rap song as well as skipping the first arc initially, it was an attempt on FUNi's part to change fan's preconceived perceptions about the show because surely they knew of GT's not so great ratings during the show's initial broadcast run in Japan.

A Producer on GT said tha's exactly why they made those changes, to avoid what happened in Japan. 99.9% of the time I'm against Funi's changes, but skipping that first arc was definitely the right move, although I personally would've only cut episodes 6-14, as those are what I believe broke GT for fans in Japan.

[Goten_jr]

Am I the only One who thinks The First 5 episodes of GT &the Planet M2 Part from the First arc are actually okay? However 6-14 was Definitely the Big Problem And made the Arc way way worse than it could have been

[Matches Malone]

Am I the only One who thinks The First 5 episodes of GT &the Planet M2 Part from the First arc are actually okay?

They were fine, it was those 9 episodes that completely brought the arc and the series as a whole down. Had things gone from ep5 directly into 15, GT's reputation wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is. GT's reception in the US proves that.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I too believe that FUNi in theory could've made keeping in ep 1-5 and 15-16 work if they'd chosen to, because the latter two eps in particular are the setup to Planet M2. The preceding 9 in the middle however could have easily been passed over themselves as they are effectively filler and not really essential while leaving the former as is rather than completely skipping it altogether (at least initially) then starting at ep 17 and cobbling together footage from them into a dub only recap episode as they did back in 2003, though the top is my personal means of viewing the first arc as the first five set up the overall story and are decent enough but it's really 6-14 which indeed drag the pacing down and thus no wonder why that batch of episodes had the effect of causing ratings slippage that only sort of recovered to a degree by the series end.

[ABED]

I enjoy the Luud episodes. The cult was an interesting new kind of villain for DB.

[DBZAOTA482]

Not really. It's just a few vocal fans of it came out of the woodshed when Super turned out not to be as good as the original series.

[Goten_jr]

one thing about GT which is definetly way more appreciated nowdays is Baby or the baby arc in general

[Matches Malone]

one thing about GT which is definetly way more appreciated nowdays is Baby or the baby arc in general.

The Baby arc has always been a highlight for me, even before Super was a thing. Out of all the post manga arcs we've gotten, the Baby arc is the best structured. It wasn't rushed like the Super 17 arc, it wasn't wasted potential like the shadow dragons arc, and it wasn't tapped together bullet points like what we got in Super. That's probably why GT was as popular as it was in the US. Fans didn't have to sit through GT's godawful start and instead jumped right into the best part. Despite a lackluster follow up in the Super 17/shadow dragons arc, it still managed to keep GT's reputation somewhat intact.

If GT was only episodes 1-5, 15-40, & a hero's legacy, its reputation would be far better than it currently is. Everything else is just wasted potential. If I'm not mistaking, the show runner/ head writer changed after the Baby arc and TV special were aired, which explains the dip in quality.

[Goten_jr]

one thing about GT which is definetly way more appreciated nowdays is Baby or the baby arc in general.

The Baby arc has always been a highlight for me, even before Super was a thing. Out of all the post manga arcs we've gotten, the Baby arc is the best structured. It wasn't rushed like the Super 17 arc, it wasn't wasted potential like the shadow dragons arc, and it wasn't tapped together bullet points like what we got in Super. That's probably why GT was as popular as it was in the US. Fans didn't have to sit through GT's godawful start and instead jumped right into the best part. Despite a lackluster follow up in the Super 17/shadow dragons arc, it still managed to keep GT's reputation somewhat intact.

If GT was only episodes 1-5, 15-40, & a hero's legacy, its reputation would be far better than it currently is. Everything else is just wasted potential. If I'm not mistaking, the show runner/ head writer changed after the Baby arc and TV special were aired, which explains the dip in quality.

yeah i think the baby arc has it´s flaws in it´s later part but all in one think it´s a pretty good arc if not the best arc after the Buu saga...if GT would just have better action, more animation,more hand to hand,less ki attacks,less talking it would have been soooo much better i don´t know who the hell directed most the GT Fights but there are just so much slower than all the other (even movie) DB fights

[ABED]

I keep seeing this stuff about bullet points as if that's a negative.

[WittyUsername]

I would say that the Baby arc is a better executed amalgamation of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and the Garlic Jr. arc. I think they could’ve avoided making Baby such a clear cut bad guy, though.