Would you say that GT is more or less liked nowadays?

[SupremeKai25]

I doubt most anime look as good as this:

I should've used different wording. I was talking about the show as a whole, including the writing, ideas, characterizations, etc. Super's fights are definitely a highlight of the show, and the only reason I'd recommend it over GT, as GT's fights are pretty much non-existent.

It's Dragon Ball, the vast majority of people watch this show for the fights and action, like all shonen really. If a Dragon Ball series can't nail down the fights, it shouldn't even bother. GT is a clear example of this. At least Super's got its priorities straight. It's not like it's a shallow or poor show just because its highlights are the fights, if anything it's a show that understands its audience.

Regardless the writing, ideas, and characterization are decent as well, I don't have any significant complaints in this regard.

I think those fights are great, but overall I think aesthetically Super is dog. Super's designs are fairly awful. The T.O.P ring is the most boring location in the entire franchise. The desolate city grew a bit tiresome, nothing in RoF looked good, and even some of the character designs in the T.O.P (including and somewhat targeting Jiren) were pretty bad.

You claim the desolate city of the Future Trunks arc grew tiresome, but all major fights in GT were based in a desolate city. Yes, even the Goku vs. Baby fight took place in a desolate city, because that's what the Tuffles world is, a wasteland. I enjoyed the settings of Super, especially in the Future Trunks arc, because even if the desolate city was perhaps overdone, there was one very interesting detail which redeemed it: the green sky. It really conveyed the idea of an apocalyptic, bleak future in a way that no other arc did. The sky and sun were literally blocked by the destruction and darkness. I also greatly enjoyed the various divine worlds like Gowasu's and Zamasu's planet in Universe 10, they were very pleasing aesthetically.

[Mad Swami]

I doubt most anime look as good as this:

I should've used different wording. I was talking about the show as a whole, including the writing, ideas, characterizations, etc. Super's fights are definitely a highlight of the show, and the only reason I'd recommend it over GT, as GT's fights are pretty much non-existent.

It's Dragon Ball, the vast majority of people watch this show for the fights and action, like all shonen really. If a Dragon Ball series can't nail down the fights, it shouldn't even bother. GT is a clear example of this. At least Super's got its priorities straight. It's not like it's a shallow or poor show just because its highlights are the fights, if anything it's a show that understands its audience.

Regardless the writing, ideas, and characterization are decent as well, I don't have any significant complaints in this regard.

I think those fights are great, but overall I think aesthetically Super is dog. Super's designs are fairly awful. The T.O.P ring is the most boring location in the entire franchise. The desolate city grew a bit tiresome, nothing in RoF looked good, and even some of the character designs in the T.O.P (including and somewhat targeting Jiren) were pretty bad.

You claim the desolate city of the Future Trunks arc grew tiresome, but all major fights in GT were based in a desolate city. Yes, even the Goku vs. Baby fight took place in a desolate city, because that's what the Tuffles world is, a wasteland. I enjoyed the settings of Super, especially in the Future Trunks arc, because even if the desolate city was perhaps overdone, there was one very interesting detail which redeemed it: the green sky. It really conveyed the idea of an apocalyptic, bleak future in a way that no other arc did. The sky and sun were literally blocked by the destruction and darkness. I also greatly enjoyed the various divine worlds like Gowasu's and Zamasu's planet in Universe 10, they were very pleasing aesthetically.

Sure Gt's battle sites were pretty repedative but I found them more pleasing personally. Also I thought the green sky helped make the location drab and boring. However I agree, Gowasu and Zamasu's world was nice looking, so was Beerus'. However in terms of new locations, that might be all I really enjoyed. Actually I did like the nameless planet from the U6 arc. That place was good.

[LoganForkHands73]

I do find most of the backgrounds in GT to be much worse than those in Super. One that always sticks out to me is New Planet Plant in the Baby Arc with that godawful red sky backdrop, but GT in general has a rather drab, "harsh" colour palette that doesn't lend itself well to the environments featured at all. Super has had a good variety of locations that all compliment the battles being fought and are all realised pretty well. The Tournament of Destroyers arena is just a nice cosy tournament location reminiscent of classic Dragon Ball but with a slight sci-fi twist, the future timeline landscape is appropriately bleak and desolate feeling for a darker toned arc, and the Tournament of Power arena is a great location for a giant Smash Bros battle royale. The Broly movie took us to an Arctic location for the first time since Z Movie 7, and this time it's not just an arbitrary choice -- as the lyrics to the film's theme song "Blizzard" illustrate, it's closely tied to Broly's characterisation. He's taken from one cold, desolate world to another, and he feels frozen and trapped by the crushing expectations thrust upon him, hence why he has to "break the ice". Plus it's serves as a cool (ha) and unique battlefield.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Hard to tell, mainly because since Super inception GT has simply dropped from the fandom's conversation.

[Grimlock]

The biggest issue I have with Super is that despite having double the amount of episodes GT had, it felt like it somehow accomplished less.

69 episodes were dedicated to tournaments only, which is already more than GT's total count, 27 episodes were dedicated to the movie retellings, & 14 episodes were dedicated to filler/in between arc episodes. That's 110 episodes.

When you put it that way, I can see even more why it sucks, indeed. Those damn retellings and tournaments... Too much time wasted on so little and unnecessary stuff. I didn't watch the fillers but from the little I saw, they all seemed very boring so I won't even bother.

Also, the lack of accomplishment extends to the in-universe side as well, I can more or less understand that Universe 7 has to win the tournaments so as not to cause too much impact overall (though I still do not see any problem if they had lost to Universe 6), but that Future Trunks saga ending...

[WittyUsername]

I didn’t mind the slice of life episodes of Super. I actually liked getting to see the Dragon Team have lives outside of fighting. The Tournament of Power, though? Yeah, that went on for too long, as did the movie retellings, to a lesser extent. I guess that if there’s any big advantage GT has over Super, it’s that it moves along fairly quickly once it gets to M2.

[precita]

The TOP's length was fine. Individually it was basically like an arc of DBZ.

You can skip the movie retellings and just watch the movies so even then you can save yourself time of watching about 20 eps at least.

[Matches Malone]

The TOP's length was fine. Individually it was basically like an arc of DBZ.

The difference is that the content in Z's arcs justified their length (mostly), which is something I can't say for the TOP. What was there that needed FIFTY FIVE episodes ? Not only could've they cut that in half, they would've got a better arc out of it as well.

[WittyUsername]

The TOP's length was fine. Individually it was basically like an arc of DBZ.

You can skip the movie retellings and just watch the movies so even then you can save yourself time of watching about 20 eps at least.

30+ episodes of nothing but fighting in a single location is pretty overbearing. It’s just hard to stay invested in something like that for so long. That’s why I felt a massive sense of relief when it finally ended.

[coola]

Never really hated GT, i was indifferent to it, but after Super, i appreciate it much more, especially with what it did with Goku, and its bittersweet ending. Dragon Balls are gone, Goku vanished, Piccolo died...And yes, GT have lots of problems, but again, compared to Super, power inconsistency and plot retcons in GT are nothing.

[ArmenianPepsi]

The TOP's length was fine. Individually it was basically like an arc of DBZ.

You can skip the movie retellings and just watch the movies so even then you can save yourself time of watching about 20 eps at least.

30+ episodes of nothing but fighting in a single location is pretty overbearing. It’s just hard to stay invested in something like that for so long. That’s why I felt a massive sense of relief when it finally ended.

Yeah, that's basically my take on TOP. If I don't even mention the moments that just baffled me with how stupid they are, the fact it went on for so long just grew boring. There is only so much action, no matter how well it's animated or how epic, that one can take before you grow numb. Literally the final fight with Jiren has no effect when all you've been watching for the previous 20 odd episodes is constant brawling.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Yeah the Tournament of Power had a lot of great moments but watching it weekly as it was airing did start to feel tedious. Still want to binge it on my Super Blu-Rays to see how that experience compares though.

One thing I will give GT credit for is other than Goku vs Cell and Freeza or Super 17 all the main fights were only as long as they needed to be.

[ABED]

Yeah the Tournament of Power had a lot of great moments but watching it weekly as it was airing did start to feel tedious. Still want to binge it on my Super Blu-Rays to see how that experience compares though.

One thing I will give GT credit for is other than Goku vs Cell and Freeza or Super 17 all the main fights were only as long as they needed to be.

Even the Baby fight could've shaved off some time and the one star Dragon fight is too long.

[SupremeKai25]

Sure Gt's battle sites were pretty repedative but I found them more pleasing personally. Also I thought the green sky helped make the location drab and boring. However I agree, Gowasu and Zamasu's world was nice looking, so was Beerus'. However in terms of new locations, that might be all I really enjoyed. Actually I did like the nameless planet from the U6 arc. That place was good.

The green sky was a unique and creative way to convey the idea of a dystopian future, which Z for example never truly did. In the HIstory of Trunks special, the city didn't look nearly as ruined and devastated. It was still sunny, there were many people around, etc... meanwhile, in the Future Trunks arc, the city is completely destroyed, the sky is perpetually clouded (when Trunks uses his sword of friendship, you can see that the planet was actually perpetually shrouded in darkness), and there is no one around -- the people literally have to hide in the subways of the city. This is how I picture a true dystopian scenario:



And so far, the Future Trunks arc was the only arc in the franchise that gave off this feeling of complete hopelessness and destruction. That's why the setting of the Future Trunks arc is actually one of its main strengths in my opinion. I don't know why that bored you, since the arc was very short anyway. It only lasted 21, that's not much at all for a Dragon Ball arc. Plus many portions of the arc were spent on Zamasu's world.

As for the rest, I agree, I loved the world of Gowasu and Zamasu, and I also enjoyed the various planets of the other gods (like the chocolate world of U11, or the beautiful metropolis of U2). There were many creative settings in Super, especially in the Tournament of Power arc which focused a lot on the other universes.

[Matches Malone]

The Future Trunks arc was the only arc in the franchise that gave off this feeling of complete hopelessness and destruction.

The Saiyan arc would like to have a word with you, should I schedule a meeting for 10 a.m. tomorrow ?

[SupremeKai25]

The Future Trunks arc was the only arc in the franchise that gave off this feeling of complete hopelessness and destruction.

The Saiyan arc would like to have a word with you, should I schedule a meeting for 10 a.m. tomorrow ?

I am referring to the setting. Can you name another arc of Dragon Ball that takes place in a destroyed city that is perpetually covered in darkness and completely abandoned?

[Matches Malone]

Can you name another arc of Dragon Ball that takes place in a destroyed city that is perpetually covered in darkness and completely abandoned?

Thankfully not, it was one of the worst settings alongside that equally god awful tournament of "power" area. It's fine in a limited usage but not for an extended period of time.

[SupremeKai25]

Can you name another arc of Dragon Ball that takes place in a destroyed city that is perpetually covered in darkness and completely abandoned?

Thankfully not, it was one of the worst settings alongside that equally god awful tournament of "power" area. It's fine in a limited usage but not for an extended period of time.

12 episodes is "an extended period of time" to you? You can't have a lot of favourite settings then.

[ABED]

The Future Trunks arc was the only arc in the franchise that gave off this feeling of complete hopelessness and destruction.

The Saiyan arc would like to have a word with you, should I schedule a meeting for 10 a.m. tomorrow ?

I am referring to the setting. Can you name another arc of Dragon Ball that takes place in a destroyed city that is perpetually covered in darkness and completely abandoned?

It's better than Namek where you can't even tell the passage of time despite it taking place over the course of weeks. One thing that is overlooked about the tournament of power arena is it's increasing level of destruction. We can see the passage of time by the state of the tournament floor alone. It's why I genuinely enjoy the setting.

Namek starts off interesting, gets old quickly and then starts becoming interesting again as it begins decaying until its eventual explosion.

[SupremeKai25]

The Saiyan arc would like to have a word with you, should I schedule a meeting for 10 a.m. tomorrow ?

I am referring to the setting. Can you name another arc of Dragon Ball that takes place in a destroyed city that is perpetually covered in darkness and completely abandoned?

It's better than Namek where you can't even tell the passage of time despite it taking place over the course of weeks. One thing that is overlooked about the tournament of power arena is it's increasing level of destruction. We can see the passage of time by the state of the tournament floor alone. It's why I genuinely enjoy the setting.

Namek starts off interesting, gets old quickly and then starts becoming interesting again as it begins decaying until its eventual explosion.

I completely agree, the Tournament of Power stage impressed me in the way that it was constructed. The writers had a smart idea by having the central column become shorter and shorter to indicate how much time was left. The setting conveyed a genuine sense of time progression.

I also wasn't expecting the stage to change twice. I must say, the green and purple/pink tints were greatly appreciated.