"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

Honestly Vegeta killing him would've been the best ending so we can move on to a seperate arc.

I think Vegeta might kill him based on today's developments, but why not just do it earlier if that's what will happen ?

They should've done this earlier, this arc has been painful and now Goku's healing Moro so the writers can justify him being a threat again. This arc should've been done better. What's next? Goku's gonna tell Gohan to fight Moro? All we need is for Moro to blow himself up/do something similar and have someone important die and the remade worse cell arc is complete with a worse ending.

[DiscountDabi]

You know I put mine behind a Spoiler tab, but I guess we don’t care for people who want to read the chapters blind. Guess this isn’t that type of forum anymore

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

You know I put mine behind a Spoiler tab, but I guess we don’t care for people who want to read the chapters blind. Guess this isn’t that type of forum anymore

Sorry dude. This is a discussion thread and it kind slips are our minds when we're discussing about upcoming chapters.

[Matches Malone]

You know I put mine behind a Spoiler tab, but I guess we don’t care for people who want to read the chapters blind. Guess this isn’t that type of forum anymore

People should know what they're getting into at this point. If you're going into the manga topic, you're going to get spoiled.

[Alruneia]

Some of you are really good at repeating yourselves, even more than I am. Just saying.

You know I put mine behind a Spoiler tab, but I guess we don’t care for people who want to read the chapters blind. Guess this isn’t that type of forum anymore

This thread used to get locked before chapter releases back in the day in order to avoid spoiler talk. That was before the whole draft release thing started, though.

[Totamo]

I gotto go to work so going leave with this. This fandom has a history of freaking out over stuff based of spoilers which we don't even have and the final reveal being totally different from what we expected.

Everyone is focusing on the senzu bean because its like cell and forgetting he gave it to piccolo after he beat him and they were way more even in skill than this.

Its only 8 pages of the chapter out of 40 and is called Goku the earthling, not Goku the idiot. We don't even know why because it ain't about beating him at his full power he already did that and sure as hell ain't about mercy.

Just chill.

[The Undying]

My personal life has become way too busy for me to post as often, but some of you guys are really good at reinforcing why chapter drafts/previews were a bad idea from the start.

[Magnificent Ponta]

Discussing that it could happen and actually seeing it happen are two different things.

Given the amount of tiresome moaning both then and now about how ridiculous and stupid such an eventuality is, how it ruins everything, etc., etc., despite the fact that no-one on Earth has read the whole chapter then or now...I beg to differ.

But really, several people, myself included, said this would be the likeliest outcome - I myself did so on the basis of Goku's actions with respect to Piccolo (the character overall most like Moro), and how the beats of the arc and Goku's character beats aligned most closely to what he's doing now. Turns out, that was -pretty much how it went. Cue outrage, because...reasons.

You be surprise how little dragon ball fandom actually knows about dragon ball?

People here know about Dragon Ball just fine. That being the case, the outrage strikes me as a manufactured grievance from a fandom that should know better. Am I super-enthusiastic about the development? Meh, not really; it was a bit predictable, and could do with something more'. But is it worth the outrage? Not even slightly. People are just acting out, and it's really dull.

But also, I want to add my voice to yours and repeat what apparently needs repeating every damn time these drafts come out, for the people in the back: These are the first 8 pages of a 45-page chapter. You don't know what is going to happen in this chapter. Chill a bit.

[Kinokima]

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me.

I am absolutely an opponent of waiting to judge until we get the full chapter but I am not prejudging the chapter just judging Goku giving Moro a Senzu and how I hate this development. The outcome doesn’t matter I’ll still hate it.

It either makes Goku look bad or there will be no consequences for his action. Neither are appealing to me.

[JewyB]

What if Goku is giving Moro the sensu because now he isn't a threat so Vegeta can return any and all stolen energy?

Y'know, justice and all.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

It still makes little sense for Goku to think that in exchange for being good Moro will go back to prison when he's healed. I get Goku tries to avoid killing and give people another chance but this is ridiculous. Moro being at full hp and being sent back to prison would be a disaster. If he was crippled I could understand(still think killing him is better) but him being fully healed would get everyone killed.

Hell, the reason the arc was a thing was because Moro regained his old powers and busted out of jail. Sending Moro back to jail while he's fully healed is insane, especially since Moro is stronger than all of the current Galactic Patrol members. What makes you think Moro won't pull this shit again? He'll just break himself out and fuck the remaining planets over.

Goku doesn't seem effected when Moro charges in, best bet is hoping he knocks Moro's ass around like he did last chap and hope Moro doesn't have some random ability given to fuck it all up.

[BWri]

Chill a bit.

I'm going to also throw my hat in with the chill crowd. We really do only have a sampling of the chapter.

Everyone's entitled to feel how they feel and voice their opinions how they see fit, but I think too many of us have been burned before by judging things before we have the full picture.

That said, yes, this is also a development that disappoints me so far like many others. I have no expectations either way, but sometimes DBS does make me wonder what the heck I'm even reading. I'm just waiting to see what the outcome of all this is and what the point is behind Goku's apparent actions.

[Ziegander]

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me.

I think it's still character development for Goku if he heals Moro fully anticipating Moro to immediately attack him again. I'm willing to see where Toyotaro goes with this. To echo what everyone's been saying about how this is like 20% of the full issue, or less, I'll go further and say that plenty of times, after reading the sample pages, I've either been surprised by where the manga issue did finally end up (for good or ill), or satisfied with the conclusion. This to me reads like Goku's planning something, not like Goku's seriously thinking he can redeem Moro. Something about what Merus said to him in the flashback, during their training sessions, about how he tends to have a positive impact on those that he fights, I don't think Goku is going to try and redeem Moro, but maybe he feels he has a duty to... do something. What exactly that something is, I'm not sure, but I think we'll see, Goku's got something up his sleeve. He's up to something.

It still makes little sense for Goku to think that in exchange for being good Moro will go back to prison when he's healed. I get Goku tries to avoid killing and give people another chance but this is ridiculous. Moro being at full hp and being sent back to prison would be a disaster. If he was crippled I could understand(still think killing him is better) but him being fully healed would get everyone killed.

Hell, the reason the arc was a thing was because Moro regained his old powers and busted out of jail. Sending Moro back to jail while he's fully healed is insane, especially since Moro is stronger than all of the current Galactic Patrol members. What makes you think Moro won't pull this shit again? He'll just break himself out and fuck the remaining planets over.

Goku doesn't seem effected when Moro charges in, best bet is hoping he knocks Moro's ass around like he did last chap and hope Moro doesn't have some random ability given to fuck it all up.

Not sure Moro's going to end up in jail, but I wouldn't be surprised if something is going to happen to 7-3. Maybe 7-3 will be going to jail. Maybe Goku will try to redeem 7-3, and not Moro. Maybe that's where all of this is going and will at least finish the Vegeta payoff (albeit in probably less than satisfactory fashion). We'll see, but I'm game to read the rest of the manga.

[Tai Lung]

2008 OVA: Vegeta now has a brother, seriously ?

In context a "younger brother" does not make sense because the planet was going to be destroyed ... although with Bulma's sister it does, if you consider that she is much older and both are the kind of people who go on a trip for the world without seeing their parents for years ...
Anyway I have always said that Tarble must have been Vegeta's son and not his brother

Episode of Bardock...Episode of Bardock.

that was to promote the game

Minus: Let's not even get into what's wrong with it..

I would agree but the broly movie fixed it a lot for me

Champa arc: Marketing it as a 5V5 only for it to be a 2V5. More Freeza and Saiyans.[/quote]

Depending on the version, I may or not agree, however Piccolo fought in both versions even though he has not won the opponent

Black arc: Trunks' nonsense power ups and that...I don't even think there's a word strong enough to describe how bad its ending was.

I do not think that an ending where there are losses is a bad ending in itself ... it certainly emphasizes the consequences of actions

TOP: Jiren being the worst villain ever put on paper, Kale/Caulifla, wasting 5 universes, its length in the anime, etc...

jiren has never been a villain ... his only opposition with goku was their differences of ideals and beliefs regarding power
Caulifla and Kale anime >>> almost all DB Girls including the current ones in Moro arc
its duration was necessary to include 80 characters giving a participation to the majority

Broly: The fact that it's 3 older Z stories fused into one. Freeza being a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

I do not consider that using these elements is a bad thing .. personally regarding broly and origin of the Saiyans and Frieza it was used better than the originals
so ... in one piece and batman there are recurring villains

[LoganForkHands73]

I imagine Krillin is saying something like "why the fuck have I let this happen again!?" The image of him on the cliffside in the distance with his head in his hands made me laugh.

I hate having these drafts released because they just stir shit up and cause everyone to overreact. Not that people don't overreact when the full chapter is actually released anyway but having these snippets without full context of what's actually going on just makes things worse. It makes it extremely hard to avoid spoilers too.

[Kinokima]

I wish they would stop with the draft pages too but from what I remember there were spoilers before they started putting them out too.

[LoganForkHands73]

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me.

I think it's still character development for Goku if he heals Moro fully anticipating Moro to immediately attack him again. I'm willing to see where Toyotaro goes with this. To echo what everyone's been saying about how this is like 20% of the full issue, or less, I'll go further and say that plenty of times, after reading the sample pages, I've either been surprised by where the manga issue did finally end up (for good or ill), or satisfied with the conclusion. This to me reads like Goku's planning something, not like Goku's seriously thinking he can redeem Moro. Something about what Merus said to him in the flashback, during their training sessions, about how he tends to have a positive impact on those that he fights, I don't think Goku is going to try and redeem Moro, but maybe he feels he has a duty to... do something. What exactly that something is, I'm not sure, but I think we'll see, Goku's got something up his sleeve. He's up to something.

That's a good observation, I'd like to believe that Goku is in an almost clinical mindset at this point. He's got an enemy completely at his mercy, and he knows that this enemy will try to attack him if given the opportunity. However, he knows that he has this positive influence on evil people, even a heartless monster like Freeza. Maybe he's trying to see exactly how much pain and humiliation a remorseless villain like Moro is willing to take until they're ready to properly submit? It's like he's experimenting on a lab rat, trying to work out what will catalyse this redemption process.

[Ziegander]

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me.

I think it's still character development for Goku if he heals Moro fully anticipating Moro to immediately attack him again. I'm willing to see where Toyotaro goes with this. To echo what everyone's been saying about how this is like 20% of the full issue, or less, I'll go further and say that plenty of times, after reading the sample pages, I've either been surprised by where the manga issue did finally end up (for good or ill), or satisfied with the conclusion. This to me reads like Goku's planning something, not like Goku's seriously thinking he can redeem Moro. Something about what Merus said to him in the flashback, during their training sessions, about how he tends to have a positive impact on those that he fights, I don't think Goku is going to try and redeem Moro, but maybe he feels he has a duty to... do something. What exactly that something is, I'm not sure, but I think we'll see, Goku's got something up his sleeve. He's up to something.

That's a good observation, I'd like to believe that Goku is in an almost clinical mindset at this point. He's got an enemy completely at his mercy, and he knows that this enemy will try to attack him if given the opportunity. However, he knows that he has this positive influence on evil people, even a heartless monster like Freeza. Maybe he's trying to see exactly how much pain and humiliation a remorseless villain like Moro is willing to take until they're ready to properly submit? It's like he's experimenting on a lab rat, trying to work out what will catalyse this redemption process.

I think we might see Goku continue to lecture Moro, something about, "I had you at my mercy, but instead of destroying you, I showed you exactly that, mercy. That's the difference between me and you," that kind of thing. I'm not sure Goku wants to (or even believes he can) redeem Moro at this point, but maybe he at least wants Moro to understand the score, and if he does kill Moro, for Moro to understand exactly why he's killing him, and to make sure that Moro's in fighting form when he does kill him. I'm not sure, but... that's my read. Like I said, we'll see where Toyo goes with it. I was skeptical he'd pull off the UI transformation and characterization right, but 90% of the last issue read really, really great to me, to be fair. It was that shock ending that left a bad taste in my mouth. But let's see where Toyo goes with it. He's got the benefit of my doubt for now.

[Grimlock]

In context a "younger brother" does not make sense because the planet was going to be destroyed

Vegeta was born in AGE 732 (if you go by the guidebooks) and the planet is destroyed in AGE 739. That's a viable seven-year gap for Tarble and many other Saiyans to be born. So I must ask, what about it "does not make sense"?

[LoganForkHands73]

I think we might see Goku continue to lecture Moro, something about, "I had you at my mercy, but instead of destroying you, I showed you exactly that, mercy. That's the difference between me and you," that kind of thing. I'm not sure Goku wants to (or even believes he can) redeem Moro at this point, but maybe he at least wants Moro to understand the score, and if he does kill Moro, for Moro to understand exactly why he's killing him, and to make sure that Moro's in fighting form when he does kill him. I'm not sure, but... that's my read. Like I said, we'll see where Toyo goes with it. I was skeptical he'd pull off the UI transformation and characterization right, but 90% of the last issue read really, really great to me, to be fair. It was that shock ending that left a bad taste in my mouth. But let's see where Toyo goes with it. He's got the benefit of my doubt for now.

I reckon that's a fairly spot-on prediction. Also, yeah, considering how great last issue was, I'm maybe naively unwilling to believe that Toyble will let the quality slip now.