Kinokima wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:24 pmThe spoilers are from the official draft pages it’s ridiculous to expect people to not discuss them.
I don't expect that kind of restraint from most people reading/watching Dragonball, no.
But what is really deserving of ridicule is making all these assertions based on out of context stuff, and then getting summarily proven wrong by what happens in the actual chapter. Far more times than not, this is what happens. Turns out context is extremely important.
But the lesson never seems to stick because the next month we're doing the same thing again.
Ziegander wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:19 am
Maybe the twist is Goku goes to hakai Moro after Moro's inevitable betrayal, but Moro eats it and transforms into a godlike being?
I'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't make Goku AND Toyotaro both look like complete idiot trash.
I miss Ultra instinct Roshi, that was stupid but it was funny stupid.
If Toyotaro fucks this up, the rage of the fandom, the RAGE of the fandom, may surpass that of minus.
Ziegander wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:19 am
Maybe the twist is Goku goes to hakai Moro after Moro's inevitable betrayal, but Moro eats it and transforms into a godlike being?
I'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't make Goku AND Toyotaro both look like complete idiot trash.
I miss Ultra instinct Roshi, that was stupid but it was funny stupid.
If Toyotaro fucks this up, the rage of the fandom, the RAGE of the fandom, may surpass that of minus.
The salt of the fanbase are always entertaining, even when i agree .
Gogeta_Blue wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:43 am
Has Goku seen Hakai used in the manga? I don't recall him being present when Beerus Hakai'd Zamasu.
How does he know how to do it?
Goku knows how to do hakai.
I'm aware of that. I'm asking how he knows how to Hakai considering unless I'm forgetting something, he's never seen it done in the manga. He just randomly uses it against Merged Zamasu.
Ziegander wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:19 amI'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't make Goku AND Toyotaro both look like complete idiot trash.
Too late for that, and it's worth mentioning that Toriyama is fully involved with this.
FortuneSSJ wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:10 pmMinus is trash and comes from Toriyama which makes it more painful.
To be fair to Minus, at least it was only one side chapter. We've been stuck with this arc for 2 years now.
Xeogran wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:35 am
Turns out they officially spoiled us another page in the Interview, what has the world come to
Well it's blurry, but still, open at your own risk
Spoiler:
Credits to MShadows of Narutoforums for finding out.
Spoiler:
It looks like he may have attacked everyone and Whis saved them. It's mentioned above that the attack would've killed them.
This! I believe Moro may have copied Merus’ Angel powers and used a big attack to blow everything up, had (Whis or Beerus?) not intervened, he would have succeeded...
Totamo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:38 am
If Toyotaro fucks this up, the rage of the fandom, the RAGE of the fandom, may surpass that of minus.
That's not possible. Minus is trash and comes from Toriyama which makes it more painful. Fans can't use Toei or Toyotaro as shields for that one.
Well, we about to find out because we getting spoilers today and it better be Goku oneshotting him, nothing else will calm the storm if its not Goku oneshotting him.
GodVegetto91 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:23 pm
This! I believe Moro may have copied Merus’ Angel powers and used a big attack to blow everything up, had (Whis or Beerus?) not intervened, he would have succeeded...
If Moro has angle powers, that would technically allow Whis to get involved without worrying about getting erased.
Totamo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:25 pmIt better be Goku oneshotting him, nothing else will calm the storm if its not Goku oneshotting him.
If there's one thing the leaks agree on, it's that Goku loses the fight again. It amazes me how bad they've managed to write their main character over the course of this revival. I'm all for others getting the spotlight, but you don't have to completely trash Goku to do that.
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"Seems like I've screwed up again..." is what he's probably thinking right now.
Negligence can't be helped, just like being too soft.
If it weren't for ___ they'd all be dead as his final form was quite the problem.
... their only option of defeating him seems to be that one person's certain technique so please do your best!
My final prediction: Something horrible happens, Goku loses the fight, Moro gains a massive advantage.
- BoG: Goku loses the fight, is spared by Beerus.
- RoF: Goku loses the fight, is saved by Whis.
- Universe 6: Goku concedes to Hit.
- Future Trunks: Goku loses the fight badly, is saved by Zeno.
- ToP: Goku loses the fight, is saved by Frieza and 17.
- Broly: Goku loses the fight, needs to fuse.
It's just how Super works, Goku NEVER gets the main win. He might defeat some secondary antagonists like Kefla, but he never beats the main antagonist. So he won't get a traditional win vs. Moro, even if he seems to be dominating right now.
I mean, he would've gotten a big triumph if he didn't spare Moro, but idiots be idiots I guess.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with Toyotaro
SupremeKai25 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:04 pm
My final prediction: Something horrible happens, Goku loses the fight, Moro gains a massive advantage.
- BoG: Goku loses the fight, is spared by Beerus.
- RoF: Goku loses the fight, needs to be saved by Whis.
- Universe 6: Goku concedes to Hit.
- Future Trunks: Goku loses the fight badly, is saved by Zeno.
- ToP: Goku loses the fight, is saved by Frieza and 17.
- Broly: Goku loses the fight, needs to fuse.
It's just how Super works, Goku NEVER gets the main win. He might defeat some secondary antagonists like Kefla, but he never beats the main antagonist. So he won't get a traditional win vs. Moro, even if he seems to be dominating right now.
I mean, he would've gotten a big triumph if he didn't spare Moro, but idiots be idiots I guess.
The thing none of those were his fault baring ROF which is why people hate, this would be.
Look, in all honesty, I ain't that mad about it. I'm a star wars fan, bleach fan, fairy tail fan, power rangers fan and a batman fan. This kinda thing is nothing new.
Its just so frustrating how every arc in super has a well written start and gets everyone excited but for some reason they can't keep it going.
Like just be all bad.
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I was totally fine with the senzu if it led to something else besides Goku letting his guard down and getting his neck grabbed...which seems to have possibly happened. His body is meant to move on it's own now, it should be impossible to let his guard down while in the form. It not needing the connections from his brain is the entire point.
Hoping that Moro gaining an upper hand is for any other reason than that.
SupremeKai25 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:04 pmIt's just how Super works, Goku NEVER gets the main win. He might defeat some secondary antagonists like Kefla, but he never beats the main antagonist. So he won't get a traditional win vs. Moro, even if he seems to be dominating right now.
The problem is that it's happening all the time, there needs to be a balance. You can't have your main character written so badly in every arc, where it's now to the point where he can't get anything done.
Totamo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:38 am
If Toyotaro fucks this up, the rage of the fandom, the RAGE of the fandom, may surpass that of minus.
That's not possible. Minus is trash and comes from Toriyama which makes it more painful. Fans can't use Toei or Toyotaro as shields for that one.
People's hatred of Minus is overstated. Outside of this site and some big Youtubers, I have never seen anyone outright hate Minus. Just call it undercook and for the most part, people like the Minus stuff in the Broly movie.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
I mean, I have been saying for one month that it's disappointing how Goku hasn't learned his lesson from RoF... but there are many people in this thread who refuse to let go of the past. The idea that Goku would develop as a character and become more ruthless and merciless is unfathomable, and this is the result.
Just look at the arguments people use to defend this writing: "It's just not who Goku is, remember when he spared Piccolo and Frieza 30 years ago?"... implying that a character can't have some development after 30 years.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with Toyotaro
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