saiyanprincess wrote:I think Freeza is one of the sole reasons Vegeta was so mean and evil, although admittingly Vegeta was born and bred a high status Saiyan; and as such he did have the same bloodthirsty violent tendancies.
So technically you're negating you're own opinion? Vegeta's a Saiyan, no matter what, he was going to be a bloodthirsty, prideful warrior with or without Freeza.
What I have to say to the topic is this, Vegeta wasn't a "good guy" until he called Goku #1 in the Boo saga and was just working with the Z warriors not because it was the right thing to do but because the enemies were simply in his way of being the best and killing Goku. And because he's a prideful arrogant bastard that can't let things go.
Let's take all of the times he's around after the battle he had on Earth. In the entire Freeza saga Vegeta was aiming to become a Super Saiyan and ultimately kill him. However he knew that he couldn't do that without either help, or the Dragonballs. So Vegeta looks around and hey, Kuririn and Gohan are on Namek and they don't like Freeza either because he kills the Namekians. So it'd only be natural to trick them and put aside their differences to kill his worst hated enemy, and that's exactly what happened. Vegeta got all of them to fight with him until he died and they still continued to fight him even though they had nothing to do with Freeza. After being transported to earth from Polunga, he realized that Freeza and Goku would both die leaving him to be the strongest in the universe and started plotting to take over the universe before it even happened. But when he found out that Goku was alive made a goal that if he ever comes back to Earth then he'll show him somehow that he's the strongest and Goku will be at his mercy, one day....
Flash forward to the Artificial Human/Cell Arc. Goku's back, Trunks appears, he's a Super Saiyan as well, and this fuels Vegeta's pride even more to the point that the entire theme of those arcs was that Vegeta either appeared to be the strongest or there was always somebody stronger, #18, Piccolo, Cell, Goku, Gohan. But the thing is when he was the strongest everybody feared him rather than embraced him because they knew that he was still "after them" and evil, and just fighting on their side because he just didn't want to die before killing Goku. He had plans and those people were in his way. Remember he was the one that stopped them from killing the Artificial Humans because he wanted to show that he was stronger, and Goku and Kuririn are stupid so they willing let it happen. I believe Kuririn's reason was that if there was no enemy to fight then all hell would break loose because there'd be nobody to keep Vegeta in check thus they'd be unleashing a monster unto the world.
After that in the Boo saga the only reason he stayed around was because all of his goals were met in some form or another or were dropped completely because they were irrelevant. Goku was in the after-life for the rest of his life, Gohan was stronger (for a while), there were no more villains, and he had a growing son that he wanted to be with. He just saw no reason to fight anymore. That is until Goku said he was coming back and the Tenkaichi Budokai, refueling his pride yet again because he had an opportunity to finally fight him and settle everything with him once and for all, which is why he got extremely pissed when Kaioshin brought them away from the Budokai to stop Majin Boo's revival and ultimately allowed himself to become under the influence of Babidi's magic. He wasn't a pawn of Babidi though, all he did if for was because he knew that if he didn't Goku wouldn't fight him. That and, the entire Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight, IMO, seemed to be more about fulfilling Vegeta's pride to say that after 11 years, he finally fought Goku and won, rather than trying to kill him. Then when he was about to explode himself he was actually trying to do it for the right reasons, but he still wanted to see Goku in the Afterlife because he'd be able to fight him. When Piccolo said he'd go to hell, he still killed him because he wanted Trunks to live on. Now the thing is he still would have went to hell yet because Enma thought the entire universe and afterlife were in danger he had no choice but to give him his body and bring him back to Earth for a short time.
Discounting the "I won't fuse with you!!" and parts of the Kid Boo battle. The change actually felt more abrupt than gradual to me because it seemed like he just gave up on being a prideful bastard at the drop of a hat because Kid Boo and Goku were stronger rather than because he wanted to. it just didn't feel like it was for the right reasons to me.
Regardless either way I only saw Vegeta as a good guy on the last 3 episodes of Z. Every other time I never really pictured him as a good guy but as a guy that was working with the good guys because the bad guys were in his way as well.
Be grateful the filler in Dragon Ball doesn't suck like the 3rd arc of Rurouni Kenshin.
[size=59][quote="Onikage725"]Anakin: I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating…hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me…what can I do? I will do anything you ask. If you are suffering as much as I am, please, tell me.
Me: YES! Please shut the fuck up!![/quote][/size]
