"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Matches Malone]

You mean a good plot twist

Yeah, I feel that you can still get people talking with just expected writing, there's no need for these constant shock moments that just bring the story down.

[SupremeKai25]

I already know that this upcoming chapter won't intrigue me, what interests me more is the chapter of December, which will be the final chapter of the Moro arc. Beerus and Whis were summoned by the Grand Priest to Zeno's Palace. I don't believe we know the reason already, but it probably has to do with Merus. An angel breaking divine neutrality is a first in cosmic history, It's never happened before, so I imagine that all the Gods want to convene and talk about this and maybe the Grand Priest wants to question Beerus and Whis.

More importantly, I predict that the final chapter will directly tie into the next arc, which means that the arc after Moro will start off right from where the Moro arc ended.

This is my speculation anyway, the conclusion of the Moro arc and the ramifications of the Grand Priest's summon interest me more than how Goku is going to defeat Moro. I hope the final chapter is not just a "Moro is gone, the Earth is saved, everyone lived happily ever after", but has major plot points for the future.

[Matches Malone]

I already know that this upcoming chapter won't intrigue me, what interests me more is the chapter of December, which will be the final chapter of the Moro arc. Beerus and Whis were summoned by the Grand Priest to Zeno's Palace. I don't believe we know the reason already, but it probably has to do with Merus. An angel breaking divine neutrality is a first in cosmic history, It's never happened before, so I imagine that all the Gods want to convene and talk about this and maybe the Grand Priest wants to question Beerus and Whis.

As much potential as a fallout following what happened with Merus has, I've learned these last 2 months to keep my expectations as low as Saiyanly possible, because otherwise I'll just be disappointed.

[Kinokima]

I already know that this upcoming chapter won't intrigue me, what interests me more is the chapter of December, which will be the final chapter of the Moro arc. Beerus and Whis were summoned by the Grand Priest to Zeno's Palace. I don't believe we know the reason already, but it probably has to do with Merus. An angel breaking divine neutrality is a first in cosmic history, It's never happened before, so I imagine that all the Gods want to convene and talk about this and maybe the Grand Priest wants to question Beerus and Whis.

As much potential as a fallout following what happened with Merus has, I've learned these last 2 months to keep my expectations as low as Saiyanly possible, because otherwise I'll just be disappointed.

Yep I was really excited where this arc was going but now I know no matter how excited I will be they will botch it in the end.

[DiscountDabi]

It looks like Goku can...whatever the hell this is.

Spoiler:

Ah, our usual DB leaks without context. Gotta love them.
From the little we know, I agree with the people that say this would fit Vegeta better due to his yardrat training than Goku though.

Who’s to say Vegeta isn’t doing this to Goku. I mean Vegeta saw Pibara do it and could have figured it out. And given Moro still has Angel Power in him it wouldn’t make sense for Vegeta to beat him just doing this technique.

[Alruneia]

Who’s to say Vegeta isn’t doing this to Goku. I mean Vegeta saw Pibara do it and could have figured it out. And given Moro still has Angel Power in him it wouldn’t make sense for Vegeta to beat him just doing this technique.

That's actually a great idea (or "fix" or whatever)! I hope you're right and that's what it is. That way, it'd still be connected to specifically Vegeta's Spirit Control training, making it not pointless, and it wouldn't just be an out-of-nowhere twist in Goku's favour. (I've also been hoping for a Goku-Vegeta team win with Vegeta in the support role for this arc, and the situation you're suggesting would fit that perfectly.)

[UpFromTheSkies]

I'd like to see Vegeta win, but I wasn't really expecting it to happen. Toriyama likes setting him up as the hero and then having him fail, he did it with the androids, Cell and Buu, but of course Supers critics will act like this is the first time it's happened and claim Toyo is ruining the series.

[Matches Malone]

Who’s to say Vegeta isn’t doing this to Goku. I mean Vegeta saw Pibara do it and could have figured it out.

I'll be OK with that.

I was really excited where this arc was going but now I know no matter how excited I will be they will botch it in the end.

The first 8 chapters of this arc (up until Goku and Vegeta went to train) was 10/10 material...can't say the same for what's followed.

[Kinokima]

I'd like to see Vegeta win, but I wasn't really expecting it to happen. Toriyama likes setting him up as the hero and then having him fail, he did it with the androids, Cell and Buu, but of course Supers critics will act like this is the first time it's happened and claim Toyo is ruining the series.

The difference is Vegeta’s failures in those arcs actually contributed to his character arc. Here they mean absolutely nothing and are just a trope. Even with failing to kill Buu his sacrifice still meant something for his character journey.

And the way Vegeta contributed at the end of the Buu arc coming up with the idea to defeat Buu although Goku
Ended things is exactly what I want from Vegeta who you know doesn’t really need lessons in failure anymore because he is a good person now.


Edit: I will say maybe I am jumping the gun here and there is more to this chapter than what it appears but what we have so far doesn’t look very promising

[Matches Malone]

I'd like to see Vegeta win, but I wasn't really expecting it to happen. Toriyama likes setting him up as the hero and then having him fail, he did it with the androids, Cell and Buu, but of course Supers critics will act like this is the first time it's happened and claim Toyo is ruining the series.

Vegeta was never set up to take down the Androids (although he did take down 1) or Cell. With Buu, his sacrifice may not have killed him, but his plan to use the spirit bomb and have the dragon restore Goku to full strength did. Vegeta in the original manga was never set up to play the hero, but rather to be redeemed as a person. In Super, he was set up to be the hero not once, but twice, both of which were pulled from under him in the last minute to make Goku look good.

[Kanassa]

It looks like Goku can...whatever the hell this is.

Spoiler:

Ah, our usual DB leaks without context. Gotta love them.
From the little we know, I agree with the people that say this would fit Vegeta better due to his yardrat training than Goku though.

Who’s to say Vegeta isn’t doing this to Goku. I mean Vegeta saw Pibara do it and could have figured it out. And given Moro still has Angel Power in him it wouldn’t make sense for Vegeta to beat him just doing this technique.

I doubt it's Vegeta's doing considering he's as dumbfounded and surprised as everyone else while just hovering there limply.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I'd like to see Vegeta win, but I wasn't really expecting it to happen. Toriyama likes setting him up as the hero and then having him fail, he did it with the androids, Cell and Buu, but of course Supers critics will act like this is the first time it's happened and claim Toyo is ruining the series.

Vegeta was never set up to take down the Androids (although he did take down 1) or Cell. With Buu, his sacrifice may not have killed him, but his plan to use the spirit bomb and have the dragon restore Goku to full strength did. Vegeta in the original manga was never set up to play the hero, but rather to be redeemed as a person. In Super, he was set up to be the hero not once, but twice, both of which were pulled from under him in the last minute to make Goku look good.

Vegeta started off overpowering the androids and Cell, just like he started off overpowering Moro. And against Buu there was a very dramatic set up for Vegeta to finally win, only to have Buu survive. The original manga has all the same "problems" as Super but people gloss over them.

[BWri]

This is probably a Yardrat Technique that Goku knew but never saw the need to use it.

Yeah it's this. The setup was during Vegeta and Pybara's trianing on Yardrat. It still doesn't make it seem any less "ass-pully" though. I think maybe if Goku thought about using it against Anilaza previously then it would feel less "out of nowhere." Not that he had the time to do so in the manga, but maybe in the anime.

All frustration and confusion could be avoided if they just took the time to properly explain series mechanics. All said, despite how silly this initially feels, I have no problem with it. Toyotaro should realize though that he doesn't need to continuously rely on back to back surprises to tell a good story.

[DSB]

Ok i am extreme defender of Super but even i cant defend the leak i just saw.

At this point even GT makes more sense.

[Kanassa]

Ok i am extreme defender of Super but even i cant defend the leak i just saw.

At this point even GT makes more sense.

I mean, it's dumb, but it's no where close to the worst thing this arc has done.

[Thani]

Ok i am extreme defender of Super but even i cant defend the leak i just saw.

At this point even GT makes more sense.

I mean, it's dumb, but it's no where close to the worst thing this arc has done.

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the worst thing in this arc?

[Matches Malone]

Vegeta started off overpowering the androids and Cell, just like he started off overpowering Moro.

Against Buu there was a very dramatic set up for Vegeta to finally win, only to have Buu survive.

The original manga has all the same "problems" as Super but people gloss over them.

Never mind the fact Goku and Gohan were training just as Vegeta was fighting Cell, making it crystal clear he wouldn't finish things.

True, but he still got to play a very important role in his defeat at the end.

No it doesn't, this is flat out wrong. If you're going to defend Super, try to find other ways of doing it other than bringing down the original. Let's assume for a second you're right and they both share the same problems, doesn't that make Super look bad for not improving anything despite there being a 2 decade gap and countless other Shonen between them ?

At this point even GT makes more sense.

The one thing Super has done successfully over the years is show people GT wasn't as bad as they thought.

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the worst thing in this arc?

Goku giving Moro a Senzu Bean is not only the worst part of this arc, but the franchise as a whole.

[DSB]

Ok i am extreme defender of Super but even i cant defend the leak i just saw.

At this point even GT makes more sense.

I mean, it's dumb, but it's no where close to the worst thing this arc has done.

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the worst thing in this arc?

He will say Senzu bean or Moro eating 73 but honestly both make more sense than this BS

[DiscountDabi]

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the worst thing in this arc?

Goku giving Moro a Senzu Bean is not only the worst part of this arc, but the franchise as a whole.

Gonna have to hard disagree. Goku giving Moro a Senzu bean isn’t even in my top 10. Its a dumb decision, but no more dumb than giving Cell a Senzu. Or Piccolo.

No, the dumbest thing that this arc has done is turn Moro into Moro 73. This arc had been on a quality decline since they left namek, but chapter 61 was the nail in the coffin for this arc in my opinion.

[Matches Malone]

Goku giving Moro a Senzu bean isn’t even in my top 10. Its a dumb decision, but no more dumb than giving Cell a Senzu. Or Piccolo.

He gave Piccolo a bean because if he didn't, Kami would've died with him.

He gave Cell a bean because he was trying to have a fair competition, at least in the beginning.

He gave Moro a bean because...???