"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Matches Malone]

Does anyone know whether anything new got announced at Jump Festa regarding Dragon Ball Super?

Something along the lines of it may happen eventually. DB is too successful right now to justify investing in any major products.

[AndLad92]

Does anyone know whether anything new got announced at Jump Festa regarding Dragon Ball Super?

Something along the lines of it may happen eventually. DB is too successful right now to justify investing in any major products.

What will happen eventually? The DBS anime return or?

[Mister_Popo]

Does anyone know whether anything new got announced at Jump Festa regarding Dragon Ball Super?

Something along the lines of it may happen eventually. DB is too successful right now to justify investing in any major products.

What will happen eventually? The DBS anime return or?

The editor-in-chief of V-jump magazine Victory Uchida said in a panel 'when / if the storyline of the manga is adapted in anime, he will count on the producers of the games to incorporate the new characters.'

He didn't actually say plans for an anime sequel exist or they were working on it.

[Matches Malone]

The editor-in-chief of V-jump magazine Victory Uchida said in a panel 'when / if the storyline of the manga is adapted in anime, he will count on the producers of the games to incorporate the new characters.'

At least now we know for sure that the reason Moro arc characters haven't shown up is due to them not being animated.

What will happen eventually? The DBS anime return or?

All we know is that we won't have to wait 16 years like we did between GT's last episode and the BOG movie. With that said, I wouldn't expect anything until Dragon Quest is finished in 2022, and even that's a stretch now.

[Ziegander]

Imagine if "the Dragon Room" were given even 1/20th the amount of funding that Marvel Comics as a whole publishing company gets and Shueisha started ordering multiple different manga set in the Dragon Ball universe that were allowed to explore places and stories apart from Goku and Vegeta's mainline Dragon Ball adventures. New writers, new artists, new books and a whole slate of interconnected narratives that expand the lore and focus on other characters. I for one think that it's past time for, at least, a Z-Fighters book, centered on Earth and on Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, sometimes 17 and 18, Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotsu, even Roshi and Bulma. There's so much wealth of storytelling they could tap back into with an Earth-centric book that's just being cast to the wayside right now.

But we could even get a book centering around the Universe 6 Saiyans, that would be sick, and another that centers around the Pride Troopers. The possibilities are literally limitless, but they either can't or won't go there.

I would love that, Dragon Ball has the potential to be something like Star Wars too (in a matter of world building), but as the latter I could only see that happening if it was bought by Disney lol

I have so many other, more personal and more important projects on my plate at the moment, I can't do it, but I've been considering writing and producing a Z-Fighters fan-manga for two years or so now. I just feel, even if I weren't able to successfully pitch to Shueisha a non Vegeta/Goku centric book, that they might consider making one themselves if they see an example or three of really cool DB-based fan-mangas exploring the rest of the multiverse that they've as yet been unwilling to explore.

Ok, one drawing of one character that was never used in the manga is not a solid data point, but I'm preparing myself. I didn't want Broly, but that ended up fun enough.

lol, yeah, I wasn't so keen on re-revisiting Broly for Super, but the movie certainly was fun, so I'm in agreement. I really would prefer Granolah to not be a Tuffle, but if he must be, it'll still be fun. Hopefully it's not leading us into Baby territory, but rather something else.

Actually... I'm struggling to recall now, but I had a thought that, Granolah was, for some reason, gearing up to go after the gods, but I think it was from a sleep-addled mind, because if I'm recalling correctly my thought process was simply because he was defeating those OG's, and that doesn't track with any logic...

Let the conspiracy theories flow. Get ready for the "Bulma is a genius because she is a descendent of Tsufurians and that's why she has blue hair" retcon.

OH GOD. Based on that sketch alone, honestly... that's not that crazy, that Tuffle looks like Bulma's dad and she's worn her hair in that exact style before. I COULD SEE THEM DOING THAT.

[emperior]

I would unironically like it if it turned out Bulma was a descendant of a Tsufurian who went on a trip to Earth.

It wouldn’t even be that dumb because everyone always got amazed by the technology of Earth, which comes all from Bulma’s family.
In the space nobody ever had a clue Earth got such technology, as they considered it a very primitive Planet. The fact that Bulma was able to even create a Time Machine is proof of how advanced her skills are.
It would also explain why her family is so above everyone else on Earth for technological aptitude.

And if she were a Tsufurian, and if they kept the history of them being the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta who got wiped by the Saiyans lead by an ancestor of Vegeta (I guess it was Vegeta I) then it would be a nice twist of fate for Vegeta to end up marrying a Tsufurian descendant. It would be even funnier if it turned out Bulma was of royal origin too.

Luckily it won’t happen. I could see the fans really hating such a retcon. I wouldn’t mind it though.

[Yuji]

It would also explain why her family is so above everyone else on Earth for technological aptitude.

They aren't, though. Pilaf made improvements on Bulma's time machine's design (on top of presumably being the one who had designed and constructed his gang's mechs before), Senbei created Arale, and Gero obviously created the incredibly advanced artificial humans along with Cell.

[LoganForkHands73]

I would unironically like it if it turned out Bulma was a descendant of a Tsufurian who went on a trip to Earth.

It wouldn’t even be that dumb because everyone always got amazed by the technology of Earth, which comes all from Bulma’s family.
In the space nobody ever had a clue Earth got such technology, as they considered it a very primitive Planet. The fact that Bulma was able to even create a Time Machine is proof of how advanced her skills are.
It would also explain why her family is so above everyone else on Earth for technological aptitude.

And if she were a Tsufurian, and if they kept the history of them being the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta who got wiped by the Saiyans lead by an ancestor of Vegeta (I guess it was Vegeta I) then it would be a nice twist of fate for Vegeta to end up marrying a Tsufurian descendant. It would be even funnier if it turned out Bulma was of royal origin too.

Luckily it won’t happen. I could see the fans really hating such a retcon. I wouldn’t mind it though.

Nah, that would be a colossal shark-jumping moment of enormous proportions and would totally undermine Bulma's entire character. Her whole appeal is that she's the one 100% normie in this group of superpowered martial artist weirdos, yet her intellect and resourcefulness allow her to contribute in dire situations. Why does she have to be alien to justify being extremely intelligent?

Think back to her first encounter with Goku. We know that Goku wasn't exactly normal from the moment we first see him, though now we of course know he was an alien all along. His first encounter with Bulma is his first experience of humanity beyond his dead hermit grandfather. That would be kinda undermined if we find out it was actually a meeting between two amnesiac aliens. Yeah, drawing more parallels between the Saiyans and Tsufurujin could be neat, but remember that the Tsufurujin had no role in Toriyama's original manga. Majorly retconning one of the most important characters to be a member of a minor alien race that bears no relevance to the original story would be a questionable move. I get that you're mostly memeing, but some things just aren't meant to be imo.

[emperior]

It would also explain why her family is so above everyone else on Earth for technological aptitude.

They aren't, though. Pilaf made improvements on Bulma's time machine's design (on top of presumably being the one who had designed and constructed his gang's mechs before), Senbei created Arale, and Gero obviously created the incredibly advanced artificial humans along with Cell.

Yep, you are right. I don’t know why I forgot all that stuff when writing the post... I guess everyone of them is a Tsufurian, then

Being realistic, this kind of retcon is so very unlikely to happen that we shouldn’t worry about it. And that’s probably for the better.

[ZodiacBeast]

It would be neat if Bulma had Tuffle ancestors generations back, but yeah, such a reveal now would be a "shocking swerve", fresh from Tori and Toyo's buttcracks.

[The Undying]

I just hope nobody sets themselves up for disappointment if not one character in this arc turns out to be Tsufurian.

I don't care for speculation, but the Granolah theory is okay... I guess. I'd rather just let the story surprise me.

[DiscountDabi]

Ok, so I just attempted to reread the Moro arc and I very quickly realized that this arc has virtually no rereadablity to it. It feels drainingly slow at the start and a lot of the buildup of enjoyment came from cliffhangers and the thought of what Moro could do and any future interest. With the Build up to Moro’s third wish gone and the knowledge that besides giving the Z Fighters something to do, there is barley anything to enjoy from those chapters. This arc is really dull on a second read. Solid 5/10.

[Chuquita]

I agree!

Re: Granolah and tsufru.
I'm more interested in seeing the world Granolah came from (even though the odds are low). I'd love to see Goku and company take the adventure to Granolah's home planet. I want to see the characters in a new atmosphere.

[batistabus]

One of the best things about Dragon Ball is that it's nearly impossible to predict where the story will go next. Super is the exception, with obvious plot devices being planted at the beginning of certain stories. Still, attempting is fun, and getting it wrong can be as satisfying as getting it right. As long as some Youtuber doesn't go picking it up as a "leak" or "rumor"....

This will be my last post on the matter until we get more information!

Before I continue, let me refer to this quote by Toriyama from 2013:

I am not at all particular about things like hair styles and colors. Especially with women, changing their hairstyle or color is a bit too commonplace, don’t you think? With people like Bulma, I actually don’t even know myself what their natural hair color is. (laughs)

Alright. It's partially a joke, but it could easily be taken as a tidbit. Regardless, it's undermined by the fact that the rest of her family has blue hair, including her children when they're infants. I just thought it was worth mentioning.

Nah, that would be a colossal shark-jumping moment of enormous proportions and would totally undermine Bulma's entire character. Her whole appeal is that she's the one 100% normie in this group of superpowered martial artist weirdos, yet her intellect and resourcefulness allow her to contribute in dire situations.

She's only normal compared to Goku. She's the daughter of the richest man in the world. She is possibly the most intelligent person in the world, and maybe even the universe. The Jaco manga - while technically not a retcon - established that she was a genius (she helped fix Jaco's ship without even trying) as a toddler.

Why does she have to be alien to justify being extremely intelligent?

She absolutely doesn't! That doesn't mean Toriyama wouldn't do it...

Think back to her first encounter with Goku. We know that Goku wasn't exactly normal from the moment we first see him, though now we of course know he was an alien all along. His first encounter with Bulma is his first experience of humanity beyond his dead hermit grandfather. That would be kinda undermined if we find out it was actually a meeting between two amnesiac aliens.

Not necessarily. Bulma is certainly an Earthling, woman, and citizen of the West.

Majorly retconning one of the most important characters to be a member of a minor alien race that bears no relevance to the original story would be a questionable move.

Goku and Piccolo would like a word...

I think I agree with your feelings for the most part, but none of these examples prevent it from happening...

And if she were a Tsufurian, and if they kept the history of them being the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta who got wiped by the Saiyans lead by an ancestor of Vegeta (I guess it was Vegeta I) then it would be a nice twist of fate for Vegeta to end up marrying a Tsufurian descendant. It would be even funnier if it turned out Bulma was of royal origin too.

It would also mean Trunks is the descendant of two alien races, making him even cooler.

[Koitsukai]

I hope Granola has something to do with that U12 time traveller. I don't know, I guess I really want some other-universe character to show up.

[Alruneia]

Before I continue, let me refer to this quote by Toriyama from 2013:

I am not at all particular about things like hair styles and colors. Especially with women, changing their hairstyle or color is a bit too commonplace, don’t you think? With people like Bulma, I actually don’t even know myself what their natural hair color is. (laughs)

Alright. It's partially a joke, but it could easily be taken as a tidbit. Regardless, it's undermined by the fact that the rest of her family has blue hair, including her children when they're infants. I just thought it was worth mentioning.

Interestingly, this was said back in the Battle of Gods days, and in her next appearances, namely Resurrection F and animated Super, Bulma definitely seems to have dyed her hair. (The colour "changes back" in DBS: Broly, making it look even more like a temporary dye thing. The manga isn't affected.)

One of the best things about Dragon Ball is that it's nearly impossible to predict where the story will go next. Super is the exception, with obvious plot devices being planted at the beginning of certain stories. Still, attempting is fun, and getting it wrong can be as satisfying as getting it right. As long as some Youtuber doesn't go picking it up as a "leak" or "rumor"...

I'm worried about this too. There's nothing wrong with asking "Hey, what if Granolah was a Tuffle", but you just know that somebody popular is eventually gonna say "Granolah IS a Tuffle" instead. Especially with something as clickbait-friendly as this. I can already imagine the Baby edit thumbnails... Unfortunately there's pretty much nothing we can do to stop it from happening. This kind of thing spreads like wildfire.

[DiscountDabi]

So, I have a controversial take here. Merus’s Sacrifice and later resurrection in my opinion is...ok? I mean its not the best ever, but its not bad either. Although I disagree with a lot of the sentiment that him being brought back means Dragon Ball Death Has no Consequences.



First of all, as long as Dragon Balls exist there will be no reason for them not to resurrect the people killed. Its just a fact of the franchise.

Second of all, if you compare Merus’s Sacrifice to every other sacrifice in the Franchise, Merus’s has the most long lasting consequences.

*Goku Sacrificing himself to kill Raditzs. Trained with a God and Came Back Stronger than ever with no consequences.


*Chiazou self destructs against nappa. Brought back with no consequences

*Piccolo Sacrificing himself to save Gohan. This one has the consequence of negating the dragon balls but thats fixed the second he’s resurrected so its hardly even one.


* Tiens Sacrifice to Avenge Nappa. Was Brought Back Shortly After.


*Goku Sacrificing Himself in the Cell Saga. Training the Afterlife was essential to beating Buu, and in retrospect creating Uub who helped him beat Moro. And he was brought back with almost no consequences.

*Vegeta’s Sacrifice in the Buu Saga. He was brought back shortly after.

* Elder Kai Sacrificing himself to give Goku his life so he can fight Buu. Litterally nothing changes, although according to King Kai it “Feels Different”

*17’s “Sacrifice” in the Tournament of Power. In the Anime it was just undone by saying “Whoops Guess I survived” and in the vastly superior scene in the Manga where 17 intentionally did a fake out.


Merus’s Consequences is that he is now a Mortal and had to give up his Angel powers and is no longer immortal and is eventually going to die. Which is significantly more consequence than the above listed.

[LoganForkHands73]

Nah, that would be a colossal shark-jumping moment of enormous proportions and would totally undermine Bulma's entire character. Her whole appeal is that she's the one 100% normie in this group of superpowered martial artist weirdos, yet her intellect and resourcefulness allow her to contribute in dire situations.

She's only normal compared to Goku. She's the daughter of the richest man in the world. She is possibly the most intelligent person in the world, and maybe even the universe. The Jaco manga - while technically not a retcon - established that she was a genius (she helped fix Jaco's ship without even trying) as a toddler.

But she's still fundamentally a human character in every sense of the word, regardless of her superhuman intelligence. She has quintessentially human flaws and ambitions to contrast the aliens and demons she has on speed-dial, who only care about fighting. Krillin, Yamcha and Roshi are all superhumanly gifted in other ways but at no point have I ever considered them candidates for a good old-fashioned alien retcon. Even Krillin, and dat boi doesn't have a nose! The only one I could almost see as potentially benefitting from one is, surprisingly enough, Yajirobe. He's already coded as being extremely similar to Goku -- he's also an uncouth wildboy from the woods, he's also superhumanly strong and durable without training, he's also got a voracious appetite, and he even has his own Dragon Ball keepsake. In hindsight, it's surprising he wasn't revealed as Goku's long lost Saiyan comrade.

Why does she have to be alien to justify being extremely intelligent?

She absolutely doesn't! That doesn't mean Toriyama wouldn't do it...

You're right... He's a damn maverick, we can't trust him...

[emperior]

I actually like the idea of Merus being alive but now as a mortal. Many people predicted such a thing, and I sort of expected it to happen.

I don’t get why people dislike it. This is Dragon Ball. Aside from Future Trunks’ world and 16, good people who die are brought back to life. This time there was a slight twist which makes Merus’ sacrifice still very impactful.

I am very curious to see if he will appear again in the future. He should still be able to use a rough version of Ultra Instinct and possibly a whole array of techniques. And he might train his body from scratch to get stronger.

[SupremeKai25]

Please, no Tsufurian storyline. Keep that shit in GT and the Z movies.

I want an original backstory for Granola. Based on his technological gadgets, he could come from a world in U3, which is the most technologically advanced universe in the cosmos.

Since he was travelling at the very corner of the universe, far away from Earth, he could have been crossing the "border" between U3 and U7. What brings him to U7? The arc's just begun, it'll surely be explained later on.